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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2012, 05:20:20 PM »
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    The website I referred you to gives the full explanation of what you are trying to splice from his comments on the resurrection of bodies.


    No, it doesn't.  Not at all.  Not even remotely.  I've read the complete passage.  It's very clear that the restoration of bodies is being denied.  As I said, there are a myriad of such statements one could find that prove Benedict XVI rejects the miracles of the Gospel.  His Cardinals in high places are modernists and indifferentists, because he's a modernist.

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    The SSPX is not the infallible Church.  I do not put my faith in SSPX.  The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.


    Membership in the Church depends on having the Faith.  Those who do not have the Faith, who kiss Korans, pray in ѕуηαgσgυєs, are not members of the Church.

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    The office of Peter is the visible sign of Christ's Church; the Church that has his promise that the gates of hell will not prevail.  Tradition lives through that promise, it is preserved by him, not by sedevacantist, the SSPX, or liberal bishops.


    And that is why heretics who reject the Gospels cannot be Pope.

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    Name a teaching the Pope has added to the deposit of faith that is heretical (I assume you know what would constitute that..ex cathedra,etc.).  


    That's not the test of whether or not someone can be Pope.  To be Pope you must be a Christian.  You can't cross your fingers and say "I'm not using my infallibility, so I can teach whatever I want"


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    Even if he did write errors in his personal writings it does not compromise his office, and the divine protection of infallibility.  

    There is corruption in the Church but it will not prevail; we have our Lord's word for it.  


    Not because of anyone agreeing with Benedict XVI.
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    « Reply #31 on: May 10, 2012, 06:06:47 PM »
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    • Not because of anyone agreeing with Benedict XVI. [/quote]

    I agree, it will not prevail for any other reason than the Lord preserving it.

     Catholics are obliged to follow the teachings of the Church.  That Church has the Pope at its head.  We seen horrible Popes who have lead horrible lives, and yet the deposit of faith has not been compromised.   Will we call Our Lord a liar or believe after so much he would abandon his promise.  The deposit of the faith remains intact, as you have conceded.  The Church has the guarantee of prevailing despite bad Popes and flawed men, which you also admit.  

    If you hold the teachings of the Church as I believe you do, then you also believe Outside the Church There Is No Salvation.  Pope Boniface VIII said,"this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God ...?".  Vatican I is also explicit about the necessity of Union with the Holy See. If you love the Church than don't abandon it in its time of need.  

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    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #32 on: May 10, 2012, 06:08:48 PM »
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    • Vatican II is not the Church.
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    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #33 on: May 10, 2012, 06:34:33 PM »
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    • Benedict XVI is obviously trying to destroy Catholicism.

    He is an Antipope.

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    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #34 on: May 11, 2012, 12:36:35 PM »
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    Vatican II is not the Church.


    You quote Lefebvre and so many times I hear quotes of his or the SSPX here but he explicitly condemned the position of sedevacantism.  
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    « Reply #35 on: May 11, 2012, 12:39:46 PM »
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    Benedict XVI is obviously trying to destroy Catholicism.

    He is an Antipope.



    That's just not true.  Nobody could prove that if they tried.
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    « Reply #36 on: May 11, 2012, 01:00:58 PM »
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    Vatican II is not the Church.


    You quote Lefebvre and so many times I hear quotes of his or the SSPX here but he explicitly condemned the position of sedevacantism.  


    "Now these recent acts of the Pope and bishops, with Protestants, animists and Jews, are they not an active participation in non-Catholic worship as explained by Canon Naz on Canon 1258-1? In which case, I cannot see how it is possible to say that the Pope is not suspect of heresy, and if he continues, he is a heretic, a public heretic. That is the teaching of the Church.

    Now I don't know if the time has come to say that the Pope is a heretic; I don't know if it is the time to say that. You know, for some time many people, the sedevacantists, have been saying "there is no more Pope," but I think that for me it was not yet the time to say that, because it was not sure, it was not evident, it was very difficult to say that the Pope is a heretic, the Pope is apostate. But I recognize that slowly, very slowly, by the deeds and acts of the Pope himself we begin to be very anxious.
     
    I am not inventing this situation; I do not want it. I would gladly give my life to bring it to an end, but this is the situation we face, unfolding before our eyes like a film in the cinema. I don't think it has ever happened in the history of the Church, the man seated in the chair of Peter partaking in the worship of false gods.

    What conclusion must we draw in a few months if we are confronted by these repeated acts of partaking in false worship? I don't know. I wonder. But I think the Pope can do nothing worse than call together a meeting of all religions, when we know there is only one true religion and all other religions belong to the devil. So perhaps after this famous meeting of Assisi, perhaps we must say that the Pope is a heretic, is apostate. Now I don't wish yet to say it formally and solemnly, but it seems at first sight that it is impossible for a Pope to be publicly and formally heretical. Our Lord has promised to be with him, to keep his faith, to keep him in the Faith - how can he at the same time be a public heretic and virtually apostatise? So it is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope."

    -- Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, "Address to Seminarians," 30 March and 18 April 1986.
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    « Reply #37 on: May 11, 2012, 01:03:50 PM »
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    Benedict XVI is obviously trying to destroy Catholicism.

    He is an Antipope.



    That's just not true.  Nobody could prove that if they tried.


    What's to prove ?  It's clear.  Joseph Ratzinger is a heretic, a blasphemer, and an apostate, as proven by his public words and actions, for which he has professed no words of repentance.  Therefore, he cannot be the Roman Pontiff.  There is nothing to prove.
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    « Reply #38 on: May 11, 2012, 03:04:04 PM »
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    Vatican II is not the Church.


    You quote Lefebvre and so many times I hear quotes of his or the SSPX here but he explicitly condemned the position of sedevacantism.


    Wrong. I suggest you go join rorate, you'd enjoy yourself much better over there.
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    « Reply #39 on: May 13, 2012, 12:18:52 PM »
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    Vatican II is not the Church.


    You quote Lefebvre and so many times I hear quotes of his or the SSPX here but he explicitly condemned the position of sedevacantism.


    Wrong. I suggest you go join rorate, you'd enjoy yourself much better over there.


     :applause:

    That's the thing. These people are like fish out of water when they come on CathInfo.
    They are compromisers.
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    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV
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