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Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #165 on: January 11, 2022, 05:08:24 PM »
No, what I meant was that I think his eyes were closed or his head was down at this moment of the ordination ceremony, not when he was speaking to me. Regardless, he didn't see whether one hand was imposed on him or two.

I know what you meant, which is precisely why I stated that your comment "could be read" as I suggested.

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« Reply #166 on: January 11, 2022, 05:12:30 PM »
So, how do you explain that the issue was ever raised at all?  SOMEONE claimed SOMETHING at SOME POINT, no?
No idea. Maybe the sodomite ex-priest started it to cause trouble out of spite. Maybe someone had an over-active imagination, or confused his memory with the diaconate ordination of the day before, as Ladislaus mentioned. But if there is no one to state that this happened, then there isn't much to go on, and the ceremony is assumed to have been done correctly unless there is solid evidence to the contrary, which we don't have yet.


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« Reply #167 on: January 11, 2022, 05:19:47 PM »

I'm pretty doubtful this even happened. If you search the internet, you will not find any article or public statement by any priest who claims to have been there at this ceremony and to have seen this error with his own eyes. There must have been numerous priests there, and no one has ever written anything denouncing this problem or even pointing out its existence? Really?

Moreover, I've spoken to a lot of old guard SSPX and former SSPX priests (mostly sedevacantists) who were there at that ceremony, and none of them seem to know who saw this error or claims it took place. No priest has ever claimed, even privately as far as I know, to have seen this with his own eyes. No one can tell you, "Oh yeah, Fr. Joe Smith saw Abp. Lefebvre use only one hand in that ceremony." All you get is, "Well, I don't know, the stories say that there was only one hand used."

Again, so many priests watching such an important ceremony, and not one of them claims to have seen Abp. Lefebvre impose only one hand.

Sorry to be chiming in for the first time here on p.13 of this thread, but I didn't know this was the subject matter of this thread from the title.

Doubly sorry therefore for not having read through it all (or hardly any of it, in truth), but aside from the fact that I don't think one hand or two is relevant for validity, I saw this issue raised for the first time a couple/few months ago in another thread, and wrote to Bishop Williamson to sak if he was aware what some people were saying.

This was his email response (excerpt, which I don't think he would mind me posting):

"I have heard it before.

The Archbishop was a competent theologian, and scrupulous about ceremonies and ceremonial. Little is less likely than that he would have confused the one hand of the diaconate with the two hands of the priesthood.

I would like to see who are the "eyewitnesses" of the one hand.

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God bless, BpW."



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« Reply #168 on: January 11, 2022, 07:09:46 PM »


That's Bishop Williamson, you loon.

Offline Emile

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« Reply #169 on: January 11, 2022, 07:25:41 PM »


I don't think that many here are buying your black-pilling, Jorge. Just one thing before you are led back to your padded dungeon, release Eamon from your serpentine g