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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 11:09:23 AM »
1) SLANDER is never permitted because it's a LIE.

2) DETRACTION.  In the case of secret things that cannot harm others, it's sinful (the gravity of which depends directly on the gravity of the fault in question).  We have an obligation, however, to help protect people from harm first, even if as a secondary unintended consequence a person might lose his good name.

In the meantime, 008, you may in fact be slandering individuals in accusing them of commiting the "mortal sin" of slander.  If what they are saying is true, then your accusations of slander are in fact slanderous.

Ironically, the NO has covered the tracks of various predators (and enabled them to commit more and more sins against children) precisely by using false arguments from "charity".

Offline Matthew

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 11:18:30 AM »
Quote from: 008
And St Francis this..

"If you are one of the least important persons present, it is probably not your place to censure..." even in true and provable cases

He insists it must be provable, without any hint of malice, glee, or exaggeration. Can this list pass that test in truth and in justice? We stand before God, our souls.

I see precious little proved, but much asserted with glee I'm afraid.


That sounds like a rash judgment against CathInfo and its members, to me.

Can you PROVE anything you've asserted? How about give me quotes from the Ode thread (or any other thread) where things seem to be reported with glee?

Because I'll have you know that posts by Sedetrad (for example) have been removed from the Ode thread, because HE WAS crossing the line into being a bit too "gleeful" about this whole mess, and I took several hours out of my busy schedule to clean up the Ode thread a bit -- so that it doesn't cross that line anymore. I deleted the uncharitable posts.

The fact that they WERE there is nothing against me. After all, I don't control the people who visit this forum. This is a forum, not a personal blog. However, I am the moderator, so I *can* delete offensive posts. That is all I can do. I can't make them "never exist in the first place".

Perhaps your allegation is merely a couple months out of date?

If you can find a few stragglers (posts), I'd be happy to consider deleting them as well.

Matthew


Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 12:07:45 PM »
For the zillionth time:

Did Our Lord or Saint John the Baptist pull out Polaroids or notarized docuмents when he lit up the Pharisees, calling them VIPERS before masses of people?

Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 12:11:06 PM »
Quote from: 008
Both the Church and civil society establish intricate legal criteria to protect the accused from all this, and for good reason.


And if this were a court of law, whether civil or ecclesiastical, such comments might mean something.

The Vipers of Vaudeville know darn well I am not afraid to meet them in such a venue.

Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 12:20:40 PM »
Quote from: 008
Be specific and prove every allegation.


FWIW:

The following was taken from the testimony of Richard Sipe at a sex abuse trial:

"sɛҳuąƖ violations by their nature are difficult to substantiate because the actions are most commonly executed without a third party observer. The means of determining the facts of an allegation or the truth of denial are usually derivative rather than direct. Priests who abuse frequently instruct or threaten their victims to keep silent. Those threats include warnings that the young person will go to hell, or that he, she or parents will be harmed if the abuse is not kept secret. Other means of insuring secrecy are by connecting the abuse directly with a religious ritual. For instance the abuse takes place in church, or before or after Mass while the priest is still in his vestments, or forcing the youngster to make a sacramental confession. Records exist of a priest anointing his victims with a sign of the cross... Another horrendous example is of a priest ... to prove to her that God blessed his sɛҳuąƖ activity.

51.    "Rumors, hearsay, about abusing priests are common and a valid source of information and an important means of child protection if respected and adequately investigated. Rumors form a valid alert to danger and are frequently the most powerful indication to church officials of abuse. The source of these rumors often are grounded in the fact of abuse that can be shared by the victim only with one of his or her equally powerless friends or family members. At times it is as subtle as the abused telling friends or classmates to "watch out for him." Sometimes a minor who resists a sɛҳuąƖ proposition by a priest, and tells others, "Father is a fag" starts the chain of exposure. Knowledge by rumor can be widespread and has been available for investigation within the clerical community for decades.

52.    "Bishops and superiors most frequently irresponsibly and negligently dismiss rumors without reasonable investigation. Bishops, many who also fear exposure of their own sɛҳuąƖ activities have continued to exclude themselves from oversight in the directives they instituted in 2002 to deal with the problem of abuse by priests and other church employees."