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Dogma is the Rule of Faith or else!
« on: May 07, 2017, 08:16:22 PM »
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  • This article from Vatican Insider is a well constructed argument in defense of Amoris Laetitia.  If its presuppositions are true, the conclusions are compelling. The problem is that the presuppositions are a grave error that lead to serious corruptions of the faith and morals.  Now that we have arrived at the end of the argument it is easy to see there is a serious problem with the assumptions. Those who have defended Dogma as Dogma in the spirit of Fr. Leonard Feeney over at least the last 15 years have been warning Traditional Catholics about these presuppositions and their necessary consequences.  They will appreciate this clear exposition of the enemy’s position.  The article was written because more and more Conservative Catholics are re-examining their fundamental beliefs that the pope is the rule of faith.  What will follow from this development is becoming clear.
     
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    Amoris Laetitia: The Questions That Really Need Answers
    It would appear that despite the support offered to Pope Francis by the Council of Nine Cardinals, allied to positive interventions of other Cardinals, Bishops and theologians, the vociferous opposition to Amoris Laetitia continues to grow unabated.

    VATICAN INSIDER | stephen walford | May 3, 2017
    It would appear that despite the support offered to Pope Francis by the Council of Nine Cardinals, allied to positive interventions of other Cardinals, Bishops and theologians, the vociferous opposition to Amoris Laetitia continues to grow unabated. It seems to me that two problems are presented with this hostile attitude: first, an erroneous understanding of Tradition, and second, a defiant attitude towards the Magisterium that in previous times was almost always the property of liberals clambering for changes in doctrine. Not so today. We are presented now with the disconcerting truth that those who oppose the Magisterium are the very ones who have always decried the actions of others in their disobedience to papal authority. The stench of hypocrisy is in the air and we know what the Lord thought of that.

    Tradition and St Vincent of Lerins  

    In terms of Tradition, there is a fatal flaw in the argument of those who oppose Pope Francis’ decision to alter the sacramental discipline for certain Catholics in irregular marital situations. For them, Tradition seems to be complete. In this particular aspect it stopped in 1981 with St John Paul’s Familiaris Consortio. The authentic teaching on Tradition, however, is that it grows and matures over time with the sure guidance of the Holy Spirit. As the centuries pass by, the Church is faced with ever new complexities which serve to enhance its own understanding of its doctrines, and through the charisms of the Pope, Bishops and all the faithful it navigates its way towards this end. It seems safe to say that until the Lord returns, the Holy Spirit will have something to teach the Church in its doctrinal mission to present the most perfect way of living the Gospel.

    In order to understand this reality more, we can turn to St Vincent of Lerins, the great fifth century theologian (1). In his Commonitorium, he discusses at length the issue of doctrinal development: “The intelligence, then, the knowledge, the wisdom, as well of individuals as of all, as well of one man as of the whole Church, ought, in the course of ages and centuries, to increase and make much and vigorous progress; but yet only in its own kind; that is to say, in the same doctrine, in the same sense, and in the same meaning… For it is right that those ancient doctrines of heavenly philosophy should, as time goes on, be cared for, smoothed, polished; but not that they should be changed, not that they should be maimed, not that they should be mutilated. They may receive proof, illustration, definiteness; but they must retain withal their completeness, their integrity, their characteristic properties (2).”  

    So what is St Vincent getting at here? Isn’t it a contradiction to claim that one may not change doctrine but somehow also see it develop? The answer lies in the maturation akin to a person’s growth. Let us use a pianist for an example. A young virtuoso may have the technique to play a great work note perfect, and yet may not have the necessary revelation of the composer’s intention to interpret it in a way that perhaps another, more mature pianist could. In this case everything on the page is adhered to (as in the truth of a particular doctrine), but there is more refinement to come.

    If we actually look for a specific doctrine in which St Vincent’s teaching can be applied, then St Cyprien’s axiom “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” (Outside the Church there is no salvation) is a very good example. Until recent times, the statement had an overriding negative connotation, in that it was understood (at least for many) that only official members of the Catholic Church could be saved, plus a few exceptions. In more recent times however, the Holy Spirit has led the Church to reveal the axiom from another angle: That it is only through the Church that one can be saved and this applies to non-Catholics as well; thus salvation is open to all genuinely seeking God, but that if and when it happens, it occurs through the Church. So we see here how Tradition is alive; it kept this teaching fully intact, but a more mature understanding grew through the passage of time. Other instances of authentic doctrinal development would be that of papal infallibility (Vatican I), the baptismal participation of the laity in the priesthood of Christ (Vatican II), and the recognition of the workings of grace in those outside the Catholic Church (Vatican II).  

    What interests us here is how we can apply the development of doctrine to the issues surrounding Amoris Laetitia (3). Strange as it may seem, it does not really apply so much to the issue of allowing Holy Communion for the divorced and remarried in certain cases because that is purely a matter of sacramental discipline, of which the Holy Father has absolute authority to change. Rather, it concerns moral theology and the reasons why the people Pope Francis speaks of are not to be considered as being in a state of mortal sin.  

    With the Vatican II docuмent, Gaudium et Spes, the Church sought to reinvigorate moral theology in order to confront the issues facing modern man. Until then, guidance was given from what was essentially a manual of prohibitions: “yes you can” or “no you can’t.” The problem was it didn’t delve into the spiritual relationship of the penitent and Christ. In fact, it was totally detached from a scriptural and Christological approach. Basically it was legalistic; it didn’t take into account mitigating factors of guilt, psychological problems or intentions. Objective grave matter was the overriding issue and thus many felt it was very easy to be in a state of mortal sin. In recent decades however, the magisterium has shed much needed light on the aspect of subjective guilt when sins are committed. In 1975, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s docuмent Persona Humana stated: “It is true that in sins of the sɛҳuąƖ order, in view of their kind and their causes, it more easily happens that free consent is not fully given; this is a fact which calls for caution in all judgment as to the subject’s responsibility (4).”  

    During the pontificate of St John Paul II we discover the same teaching in several very important instances: In Veritatis Splendor he states: “Clearly, situations can occur which are very complex and obscure from a psychological viewpoint, and which influence the sinner’s subjective imputability (5)”, while the Catechism is also firm that gravely sinful acts can be lessened in severity due to a variety of circuмstances. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith also weighed in on several occasions in order to ensure the entire truth of objective grave matter and subjective guilt was understood. In its 1986 docuмent on the pastoral care of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ persons, it stated that guilt could be even removed completely in certain cases (6). Perhaps the most enlightening docuмent however, is one from February 1989 entitled “The Moral Norm of Humanae Vitae and Pastoral Duty.” It is striking in its similarity to the moral theology present in Ch. 8 of Amoris Laetitia, and although the docuмent is primarily concerned with the sin of contraception, its teaching applies equally to the sin of adultery:

    “The same Christian moral tradition just referred to, has also always maintained the distinction – not the separation and still less an opposition – between objective disorder and subjective guilt. Accordingly, when it is a matter of judging subjective moral behaviour without ever setting aside the norm which prohibits the intrinsic disorder of contraception, it is entirely licit to take into due consideration the various factors and aspects of the person’s concrete action, not only the person’s intentions and motivations, but also the diverse circuмstances of life, in the first place all those causes which may affect the person’s knowledge and free will. This subjective situation, while it can never change into something ordered that which is intrinsically disordered, may to a greater or lesser extent modify the responsibility of the person who is acting. As is well known, this is a general principle, applicable to every moral disorder, even if intrinsic, it is accordingly applicable also to contraception. In this line, the concept of the “law of gradualness” has been rightly developed [St Vincent of Lerins again], not only in moral and pastoral theology, but also on the level of pronouncements of the Magisterium itself (7).”

    What is significant, is that we are told the general principle is applicable to every moral disorder thus for those who say adultery is always mortal sin are not in line with Christian moral tradition. This one single fact lies at the heart of the controversy and needs to be addressed especially by those priests and bishops who are only seeing black and white. As Cardinal Ratzinger once said “As judge, Christ is not a cold legalist” and again “The identity of the Church has clear distinguishing marks, so that it is not rigid (9).” So we see clearly that Pope Francis’ criticism of legalism and rigidity is nothing new.

    It seems to me that we must try and understand “truth” in these matters in its entirety; that is, not only the truth of the sinfulness of every moral disorder, but the truth concerning the state of an individual soul in those moments. Only then can we really speak about the truth and judgment of a situation as Jesus would see it.  

    It is noticeable in the dialogue with the Samaritan Woman at the well (Jn. 4:5-42), that the woman in a state of adultery displays signs of grace at work: “give me some of that water, so that I may never get thirsty.” She also acknowledges that the fifth man in her life is not her husband, and further, she exhibits evangelical zeal with her witness among her own people. Jesus does not condemn, but opens her heart by instigating a dialogue. There is no legalism present in the Lord’s words and actions, just as there isn’t in the passage concerning the woman caught in the act of adultery. In fact, if we compare the two episodes, we notice the scriptural reality that Pope Francis has based his new approach on. In terms of the person in the irregular situation, he foresees someone who knows their situation is sinful and for various legitimate reasons cannot change at least for now, but who desires with all their heart what the Samaritan woman wanted; and from the perspective of the Saviour, a God who doesn’t condemn but who invites the sinner to begin a path of ascent, even if it is gradual and fragile.  

    At this point, therefore it is right to address the points of contention among Pope Francis’ critics. They say simply one must abstain from sɛҳuąƖ relations no matter what the circuмstance of the family; there is no concern for how this added tension will possibly affect the children, or the peace within the home. This is frankly naïve. Ask couples who practise natural family planning-especially those with irregular cycles - and you will discover many suffer stress because of friction that can exist from time to time. In a perfect world of course, the couple in an irregular union would completely abstain, but in a perfect world we would all be giving up our possessions and living the life of St Francis of Assisi. We need a dose of Christian realism; one that Jesus displayed in the Gospels. Don’t condemn but gently lead, recognizing that if the good intention is there to begin with, then the Lord can get to work.

    So what about the question of absolution for those intent on continuing sɛҳuąƖ relations? Sorrow for sin must be present and a firm purpose of amendment; that is not in dispute, and the fact a penitent is presenting themselves in confession would suggest they desire forgiveness and to change their ways. The single point though we must focus on is “intention”. Does Jesus forgive the person who says “Lord I don’t like this situation, I wish it were not as it is, and my heart desires purity, and yet if I refrain it will likely cause a spiral of more evil engulfing the children, and destroying love and peace in the process (10)”?  

    We should remind ourselves that in chapter 7 of St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans, he seems to live a similar spiritual conflict: “for though the will to do what is good is in me, the power to do it is not” (Rom 7:1) and again: “So I find this rule: that for me, where I want to do nothing but good, evil is close at my side. In my inmost self I dearly love God’s law, but I see that acting on my body there is a different law which battles against the law in my mind. So I am brought to be a prisoner of that law of sin which lives inside my body.” (Rom 7:21-23). It is clear from St Paul that the “intention” of his soul is to embrace the perfect Christian ideal and yet sin, the flesh, interferes. He himself says he is a “prisoner.” As the spirit is more important than the flesh (cf John 6:63), it would seem that Jesus will forgive the “prisoner” – that person who finds themselves constrained by circuмstances - because he sees the spiritual intention is of greater importance than the sin itself. For clarities sake however, we must maintain that this is still an intrinsically evil act - that does not change - but St John Paul in Veritatis Splendor says: “If acts are intrinsically evil, a good intention or particular circuмstances can diminish their evil, but they cannot remove it”(no 81), thus we see again mortal sin is not the question for these people. We should also stress that in this scenario, a “creative” interpretation of conscience is also absent because the desire is to adhere to the moral law; there is no rebellion only weakness, and a near impossible situation where only more evil will likely result.  

    If we now acknowledge - as we must - that not all adulterers are in a continuous state of mortal sin, the natural question arises as to why the critics of the Pope are so adamant that no exceptions should be made to the previous rule of John Paul II (even though in the 1970’s the internal forum was allowed for these cases). Yes, there is the theological reason that the second union contradicts the spousal relationship between Christ and his Church, but the problem is in this day and age, who in the pews appreciates that concept, and is that the only betrayal towards Jesus? What is needed is education aimed in two areas: 1) a proper exposition to all young people especially, on the true meaning of marriage with all its implications, and 2) where necessary, an education for those parish communities where a couple after very careful discernment have returned to receiving Holy Communion. It is my view, as a Catholic layman that there is a great deal of Christian realism among the faithful. They know the troubles and trials of life that leave a mess behind, and sadly many will have relatives that fall in this category. This is where life has changed drastically since 1981. The danger of scandal is not what it was, and if a catechesis on moral theology is able to explain why a couple have been admitted to the sacraments then that should be enough. In this way, it would also highlight the difference between a couple seeking the right path, and a couple in obstinate sin without a care in the world.

    We should also ask ourselves, if we persist in this attitude of rigidity, what message is that sending to the children of these couples? Do we expect them to understand why their parents are denied? Do we risk alienating them and possibly turning their hearts away from the Gospel of salvation? This might seem a great noble fight for truth, but in reality it is not concerned with truth at all because if it did, the traditional Christian moral theology on culpability would be central. Instead, that essential element of truth is conveniently ignored. We may rightly ask: where is the virtue in upholding the doctrine of Christian marriage if you are happy to ignore the doctrine on mortal and venial sin? Why are we so keen to stop honest venial sinners from receiving the sacraments of salvation? Do we consider them less deserving than ourselves?  

    Obedience to the Magisterium  

    The second element we need to consider - the continual criticism of the Pope from priests and certain Catholic commentators - is one that is most disconcerting and displays an arrogance and lack of humility that really is sad to see. The crux of this problem is a mystifying attitude where some are either claiming Amoris Laetitia is not a magisterial docuмent – as in the case of Cardinal Burke- or others like the American Priest blogger Fr John Zuhlsdorf who continues to refer to Amoris defenders as “Kasperites”, even though we all know Pope Francis is the instigator of the change. Some bishops are even pretending nothing has changed at all.  

    The one point that links these three variations is that all try to avoid the question of a pope erring in faith and morals, because in their view Tradition has or would be tampered with, thus a solution must be found which would not contradict continuous teaching on papal authority. As I showed in a previous essay, popes are always free from error in these areas: “St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Saviour… his gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors (11).” Pope Leo XIII reiterated this teaching from the First Vatican Council in the Encyclical Inscrutabili Dei Consilio: “Pope Pius IX (1846-7) proclaimed the Dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and of the infallibility of the Popes in all matters related to faith and morals.”

    There can be no question that the Pope has approved new possibilities for some divorced and remarried. Even if we were to somehow claim that the original text is ambiguous (12), the Pope has twice confirmed his intention since then: once, in the press conference on the return from Lesvos where he said “I could say yes [there has been a change] and leave it at that”, (but then advised a reading of Cardinal Schonborn’s presentation), and second, in the Letter to the Bishops of Argentina in which he wrote: “there are no other interpretations.” Now the question is: are these two interventions magisterial? I would say yes, because he speaks as Pope, not as a private theologian, and St John Paul II taught that the Magisterium is also exercised through “oral and written interventions” and specifically when they derive from an “explicit or implicit intention to make pronouncements on faith and morals (13).” On both these occasions the Pope was directly affirming the correct assumption that Holy Communion was now possible in certain cases-affecting both faith and morals.

    This then leads us to the only possible conclusion: that Pope Francis has utilised his ordinary magisterium in order to bring about this pastoral change of discipline. And consequently the critics must accept that this is a legitimate act of papal authority that takes its place within Tradition (as something alive and dynamic) and which doesn’t affect the truth about papal infallibility in faith and morals. To claim there is no dissent but acceptable criticism is disingenuous.  

    So what does the Church expect in terms of obedience towards the magisterium? Canon 752 states that “religious submission of the intellect and will must be given” when the Pope teaches in his authentic magisterium a doctrine concerning faith and morals - even if they don’t intend to proclaim it in a definitive way. This essentially means that is it not just a matter of exterior discipline, but obedience to the faith: we believe interiorly with the faith of the Church. The question is why is this necessary? Because we are taught that divine assistance is always given when the Pope exercises his ordinary magisterium regardless of whether a doctrine is definitively proclaimed or not (cf. Donum Veritatis 17). Furthermore, we read: “It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful” (cf Donum Veritatis 17) (14). It is also noteworthy, in the light of the four Cardinals’ dubia, that Donum Veritatis does not approve of the way this has been made public: “In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the “mass media”, but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders service to the truth” (no 30).

    So what we are reading here is a docuмent of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith clearly teaching that Amoris Laetitia, and its disciplinary alterations for some divorced and remarried derives from Christ himself. Pope Francis had divine assistance in formulating and presenting the docuмent to the Church. There is no way around this fact.  

    A second important docuмent from the CDF, The Primacy of the Successor of Peter in the Mystery of the Church is also extremely relevant to this discussion. In the text we are told that the Pope has the authority among others to: “establish pastoral structures to serve various particular Churches.” This is more or less what he has done in Amoris Laetitia no 300 in allowing the guidelines of the individual bishops to prevail. Furthermore we read: “Since the power of the primacy is supreme, there is no other authority to which the Roman Pontiff must juridically answer for his exercise of the gift he has received: “prima sedes a nemine iudicatur (15).” The docuмent also stresses how the popes are guided to exercise their ministry in differing ways depending on the circuмstances of each era: “The Holy Spirit helps the Church to recognize this necessity, and the Roman Pontiff, by listening to the Spirit’s voice in the Churches, looks for the answer and offers it when and how he considers it appropriate.” The Pope did this with the two synods by discerning what the Spirit was saying to the Churches and by what the Spirit was saying to him through that special charism of assistance.

    In conclusion, it is apparent that for too long now the magisterium of Pope Francis has had to be defended with arguments rebuffed and questions answered. I believe it is time for a reversal of this situation. There are issues concerning the nature of Tradition, moral theology and obedience towards the Pope, and thus Christ, which need to be answered by those who seem to think they are more in touch with the Holy Spirit than the one to whom Jesus promised his unique assistance.

    FOOTNOTES

    1- Blessed John Henry Newman was a great advocate of St Vincent, and could be seen as the modern equivalent in his teaching on doctrinal development.
    2- St Vincent of Lerins, Commonitorium, ch.23.  
    3- It should be noted that St John Pau II referred to St Vincent of Lerins’ theology of development in Veritatis Splendor (no 53): “This truth of the moral law — like that of the “deposit of faith” — unfolds down the centuries: the norms expressing that truth remain valid in their substance, but must be specified and determined “eodem sensu eademque sententia” in the light of historical circuмstances by the Church’s Magisterium, whose decision is preceded and accompanied by the work of interpretation and formulation characteristic of the reason of individual believers and of theological reflection.
    4
     
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19751229_persona-humana_en.html  
    5
     http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_jp-ii_enc_06081993_veritatis-splendor.html
     
    6  
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-persons_en.html  
    7  
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19890216_norma-morale_en.html  
    8- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Salt of the Earth, p.186
    9- Ibid, p. 208
    10-This problem is not to be confused with the teaching of the Council of Trent that the Lord always gives enough grace to keep the commandments. This is solely concerned with the effect on others.
    11- 1st Vatican Council Docuмent: On the Infallible Teaching Authority of the Pope, 18 July, 1870
    12 - In reality it is not. At no 305, Pope Francis carefully explains that those not in mortal sin can be living in God’s grace while receiving the Church’s help. At this point we are given footnote 351 which states this “can include the help of the Sacraments.” Now the only possible sacraments this can refer to in the circuмstances described in the proper text are confession and Holy Communion. None of the other sacraments apply as an aid to spiritual growth (if we presume an adult has already been confirmed) in the context of someone in an irregular situation. Francis also immediately after refers to these two sacraments specifically. This explains why it is disingenuous to claim the text is ambiguous.  
    13
    http://totus2us.com/vocation/jpii-catechesis-on-the-church/the-roman-pontiff-is-the-supreme-teacher/  
    14
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19900524_theologian-vocation_en.html  

    15
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19981031_primato-successore-pietro_en.html  


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    Re: Dogma is the Rule of Faith or else!
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  • For those who get sick by reading the writings of the Vatican II church defenders, here is the short &quick of the OP:

    This article from Vatican Insider is a well constructed argument in defense of Amoris Laetitia.  If its presuppositions are true, the conclusions are compelling. The problem is that the presuppositions are a grave error that lead to serious corruptions of the faith and morals.  Now that we have arrived at the end of the argument it is easy to see there is a serious problem with the assumptions. Those who have defended Dogma as Dogma in the spirit of Fr. Leonard Feeney over at least the last 15 years have been warning Traditional Catholics about these presuppositions and their necessary consequences.


    "If we actually look for a specific doctrine in which St Vincent’s teaching can be applied, then St Cyprien’s axiom “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” (Outside the Church there is no salvation) is a very good example. Until recent times, the statement had an overriding negative connotation, in that it was understood (at least for many) that only official members of the Catholic Church could be saved, plus a few exceptions. In more recent times however, the Holy Spirit has led the Church to reveal the axiom from another angle: That it is only through the Church that one can be saved and this applies to non-Catholics as well; thus salvation is open to all genuinely seeking God, but that if and when it happens, it occurs through the Church. So we see here how Tradition is alive; it kept this teaching fully intact, but a more mature understanding grew through the passage of time. Other instances of authentic doctrinal development would be that of papal infallibility (Vatican I), the baptismal participation of the laity in the priesthood of Christ (Vatican II), and the recognition of the workings of grace in those outside the Catholic Church (Vatican II).

    What interests us here is how we can apply the development of doctrine to the issues surrounding Amoris Laetitia (3). Strange as it may seem, it does not really apply so much to the issue of allowing Holy Communion for the divorced and remarried in certain cases because that is purely a matter of sacramental discipline, of which the Holy Father has absolute authority to change. Rather, it concerns moral theology and the reasons why the people Pope Francis speaks of are not to be considered as being in a state of mortal sin."
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    "In more recent times however, the Holy Spirit has led the Church to reveal the axiom from another angle: That it is only through the Church that one can be saved and this applies to non-Catholics as well; thus salvation is open to all genuinely seeking God, but that if and when it happens, it occurs through the Church. So we see here how Tradition is alive; it kept this teaching fully intact, but a more mature understanding grew through the passage of time."


    "And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven".

    Bishop Bernard Fellay, The Angelus, A Talk Heard Round the World, April, 2006

    From the book Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:


    Pages 217-218: “This is then what Pius IX said and what he condemned. It is necessary to understand the formulation that was so often employed by the Fathers of the Church: ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’ When we say that, it is incorrectly believed that we think that all the Protestants, all the Moslems, all the Buddhists, all those who do not publicly belong to the Catholic Church go to hell. Now, I repeat, it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church, and so the formulation is true: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. This must be preached.”

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    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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  • Why the SSPX Cannot Effectively Defend Catholic Tradition
     
    Open Letter to E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars Magazine in Reply to his article entitled, “Traditionalism at the End of its Tether.”
    (http://www.culturewars.com/2010/Tether.htm)
     
    Note: This letter is in reply to the feature article published in Culture Wars Magazine in the September 2010 issue.  That published article is broader and more detailed than the web page edited version that is provided in this posting. An edited version of this reply letter was published in the November 2010 issue of Culture Wars Magazine.
     
     
    Dr. Jones,
     
    Traditionalism is not “at the end of its tether.”  Maybe the SSPX is but not traditional Catholicism.  The appellation, “traditional” has only become necessary in the modern age to distinguish Catholics from liberal Catholic modernists and the conservative Catholic dupes who profess Church membership.  If the SSPX is at the end of its tether it is because they have failed to effectively articulate the current doctrinal and liturgical defense of traditional Catholicism with sufficient understanding and clarity.  It may prove a tragedy that at this critical historical period they are taken by you and others as the spokesman for Catholic tradition.
     
    If I did not know better I might get the impression from your article that you have never heard of the condemned heresy of Modernism.  The word “modern” and its cognates appears 17 times in your edited web page version yet not once in your article is it identified as a heresy.  Not even when you quote Cardinal Ottaviani’s maxim, “Always the same,” and dismiss it as a “theological version of Groundhog Day” is the heresy of modernism mentioned.  Truth does not change and maybe if you reflect upon that fact you could, like the character in Groundhog Day, enter upon the work of developing the virtue of fortitude which more often than not requires the patient standing of our ground.
     
    It is, as you say in your concluding remarks to Bishop Richard Williamson that “There is no third way” between what he identifies as “the two extremes of either Truth or Authority.”  But to see the problem as a negotiation between “Truth orAuthority” is to misstate the problem.  Every Catholic is firstly subject to Truth, including those Catholics in Authority.  The response to Truth is assent of the intellect and the will.  The response to Authority is obedience.  Obedience is owed to Authority by the virtue of Justice but Obedience is not the first subsidiary virtue of Justice.  That distinction belongs to the virtue of Religion.  It is the virtue of Religion that determines whether an act of Obedience is a virtue or a sin.  Any good book on moral theology will list the acts of the virtue of Religion and there is not an act of the virtue of Religion that has not been trampled upon since the close of Vatican II by liberal Catholics who have brought along their conservative Catholic confederates by the leash of Authority.  
     
    Reflecting upon the virtue of Religion what stands out is that they are for the most part physical acts that are quantifiable.  The Catholic religion is an incarnational religion.  The Faith is not something that is only held in the internal forum but must necessarily be expressed by acts of the virtue of Religion.  This obligation to express our religion in the public forum by acts of the virtue of Religion is a duty imposed by God and therefore the acts of the virtue of Religion embodied in the Immemorial Ecclesiastical Traditions that are perfectly consonant with our Faith are necessary attributes of that Faith and are possessed as a right by every Catholic.  That is why St. Pius X, in his condemnation of Modernists in Pascendi DominidGregis, defended our ecclesiastical traditions by saying:
     
    They (the Modernists) exercise all their ingenuity in an effort to weaken the force and falsify the character of Tradition, so as to rob it of all its weight and authority.  But for Catholics nothing will remove the authority of the second Council of Nicea, where it condemns those “who dare, after the impious fashion of heretics, to deride the ecclesiastical traditions, to invent novelties of some kind.... or endeavor by malice or craft to overthrow any one of the legitimate traditions of the Catholic Church”; nor that of the declaration of the fourth Council of Constantinople: “We therefore profess to preserve and guard the rules bequeathed to the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, by the Holy and most illustrious Apostles, by the orthodox Councils, both general and local, and by every one of those divine interpreters, the Fathers and Doctors of the Church.” Wherefore the Roman Pontiffs, Pius IV and PiusIX, ordered the insertion in the profession of faith of the following declaration: “I most firmly admit and embrace the apostolic and ecclesiastical traditions and other observances and constitutions of the Church” (emphasis mine).
     
    Ecclesiastical Tradition is founded upon Divine Tradition and human nature, both of which are immutable, and that is why there are elements of Ecclesiastical Tradition that are immutable so that in the Tridentine profession of faith, we dogmatically declare as an article of Divine and Catholic Faith that we “most steadfastly admit and embrace the apostolic and ecclesiastical traditions, and all other observances and constitutions of the same Church.”  The SSPX does not understand this.  They follow the 1962 transitional Bugnini Indult extra-ordinary form of the Novus Ordo because they regard the liturgy as purely a matter of Church discipline that is the proper subject matter for “liturgical committees” stuffed with “liturgical experts.”[ii]  They have entered into the argument as “liturgical experts”, not with the intent of defending tradition, but to make their own liturgical opinions prevail.  They have made themselves the judge of what liturgical changes are doctrinally sound and what are not.  They cannot object to the Novus Ordo or the Reform of the Reform in principle.  If they had simply adhered to the immemorial Roman rite of the Mass as their right they could have confronted Authority with Truth on the liturgical question just as the Catholics of Milan did when Rome attempted to suppress the Ambrosian Rite.[iii]
     
    If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches, whomsoever, to other new ones, let him be anathema.
    Council of Trent, Session VII, On the Sacraments, Canon 13
     
    On the question of dogma, the SSPX, like the Modernists, err regarding the nature of dogma, which they treat as the proper subject for theological exposition to gain new interpretative insights unfettered by the restrictive literal meaning of the words.  St. Pius X in Pascendi condemns the heresy of Modernism and the Modernist’s rejection of dogma. The word dogma and its cognates appear 36 times in the encyclical. In Pascendi St. Pius X says that dogmas are not "symbols" of the Truth but "absolutely contain the Truth." Again in Pascendi, St. Pius X says:
     
    On the subject of revelation and dogma in particular, the doctrine of the Modernists offers nothing new - we find it condemned in the Syllabus of Pius IX, where it is enunciated in these terms: Divine revelation is imperfect, and therefore subject to continual and indefinite progress, corresponding with the progress of human reason; and condemned still more solemnly in the Vatican Council: The doctrine of the faith which God has revealed has not been proposed to human intelligences to be perfected by them as if it were a philosophical system, but as a divine deposit entrusted to the Spouse of Christ to be faithfully guarded and infallibly interpreted. Hence the sense, too, of the sacred dogmas is that which our Holy Mother the Church has once declared, nor is this sense ever to be abandoned on plea or pretext of a more profound comprehension of the truth.
    St. Pius X, Pascendi
     
    In Lamentabili Pope St. Pius X condemns the proposition that, "The dogmas which the Church professes as revealed are not truths fallen from heaven, but they are a kind of interpretation of religious facts, which the human mind by a laborious effort prepared for itself." Again in the same docuмent St. Pius X condemns the error that holds that, "The dogmas of the faith are to be held only according to a practical sense, that is, as preceptive norms for action, but not as norms for believing." 
     
     This last condemnation is important to understand. There are linguistic clues to the nature of dogma that help make the comments of St. Pius X more intelligible. All dogma is expressed in the form of categorical universal propositions that are in the order of truth-falsehood. They remain either true or false regardless of time, person, place or circuмstances. Once a doctrine is dogmatically defined it becomes a formal object of Divine and Catholic Faith. A heretic is a baptized Catholic who refuses to believe an article of Divine and Catholic Faith. 
     
     Commands, injunctions, laws, orders, precepts, etc. are in the order of authority-obedience. All commands, injunctions, laws, orders, precepts etc. are hierarchical, they do not bind in cases of necessity or impossibility such as invincible ignorance, they have no power against a conscience that is both true and certain, and they must be in accord with natural law and Divine positive law. None of these restrictions apply to dogma. 
     
     Time and again and again and again Catholics apply the restrictions that govern commands, injunctions, laws, orders, precepts, etc. to limit the universality of dogmatic truths. They treat dogmas as “preceptive norms for action, but not as norms for believing.”  The following two quotations by Pope John Paul II are examples of this corruption of language and truth.

     
    Normally, it will be in the sincere practice of what is good in their own religious traditions and by following the dictates of their own conscience that the members of other religions respond positively to God’s invitation and receive salvation in Jesus Christ, even while they do not recognize or acknowledge him as their Saviour. 
     John Paul II, The Seeds of the Word in the Religions of the World, September 9, 1998


     For those, however, who have not received the Gospel proclamation, as I wrote in the Encyclical Redemptoris Missio, salvation is accessible in mysterious ways, inasmuch as divine grace is granted to them by virtue of Christ's redeeming sacrifice, without external membership in the Church, but nonetheless always in relation to her (cf. RM 10). It is a mysterious relationship. It is mysterious for those who receive the grace, because they do not know the Church and sometimes even outwardly reject her.

    John Paul II, General Audience, May 31, 1995
     
    Modernists are really linguistic deconstructionalists. They begin by transferring dogmatic truths from the order of truth-falsehood to the order of authority-obedience and then use authority as a weapon against truth. They end up denying the intentionality of language and then the meaning begins to change with the wind.
     
    This novel doctrine of ‘salvation by implicity’ was formulated in the 1949 Letter sent from Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani in the Holy Office to Cardinal Richard Cushing of Boston (Protocol No. 122/49) condemning Fr. Leonard Feeney’s defense of the traditional teaching on the necessity of the Church membership for salvation.[iv]
     
    This 1949 Letter, first published in 1952, has come to be the doctrinal foundation for new Ecuмenical Ecclesiology that has entirely replaced St. Robert Bellarmine’s definition that the Catholic Church “is the society of Christian believers united in the profession of the one Christian faith and the participation in the one sacramental system under the government of the Roman Pontiff.” It is this Ecuмenical Ecclesiology that is the underpinning for the destruction of nearly every Ecclesiastical Tradition in the Latin rite since Vatican II, the most important of which is the traditional Roman rite of the Mass.
     
    This Letter of the Holy Office is heretical. But before addressing that question, it should be remembered that this Letter was never entered formally in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis and therefore it has no greater authority than a private letter from one bishop to another. The Letter was included in the 1962 edition of Denzinger’s, not by virtue of the authority of the docuмent, but rather by the modernist agenda of the editor, Rev. Karl Rahner. This Denzinger entry was then referenced in a footnote in the Vatican II docuмent, Lumen Gentium.
     
     The 1949 Letter was written to address Fr. Feeney’s defense of the dogma that there is “no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.” Fr. Feeney did not formulate his theological teaching on ‘baptism of desire’ until several years after this Letter was written. So it is an error to say as some have said that the 1949 Letter “condemns Fr. Feeney’s teaching on Baptism.” 
     
     The 1949 Letter says that people can gain salvation by an “implicit” membership in the Catholic Church. The material cause of this “membership” and salvation is the “good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.” This is a form of Pelagianism. The 1949 Letter denies the defined dogmas of the Catholic Church that an explicit Faith is necessary for salvation, that the sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation, and that being subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. No quote from Scripture, father, doctor, saint, council, magisterial docuмent or accepted tradition affirms this belief of ‘salvation by implicity’. Since supernatural Faith is believing “what God has revealed on the authority of God,” there is no explanation provided how there can be “supernatural faith” if someone does not know if God has revealed anything or what, if anything, God has revealed. The people who think this Letter is orthodox should be asked to try their hand at writing a Credo of implicit Catholic Faith. 
     
     The 1949 Letter further undermines all dogma by its modernist affirmation that, “dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church.” The truth of the matter is that the dogmatic formulation is the “sense in which the Church herself understands” divinely revealed truth. It is the Church giving “explanation (to) those things that are contained in the deposit of faith” It is the dogma itself that is infallible and dogma is not subject to theological refinement but itself is the formal object of Divine and Catholic Faith. To say, “dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it,” is to claim for the theologian an authority that belongs to the dogma itself. When this modernist proposition is accepted, there is no dogmatic declaration that can be taken as a definitive expression of our faith for it will always be open to theological refinement.

     
    On September 1, 1910, one-hundred years ago this month, St. Pius X published his Motu Proprio, Sacrocrum Antistitum, containing the Oath Against Modernism which was made both by the author and the recipient of the 1949 Letter.  In that oath they swore to almighty God, that they would “wholly reject the heretical notion of the evolution of dogmas, which pass from one sense to another alien to that the Church held from the start” and that they “likewise condemn every error whereby is substituted for divine deposit, entrusted by Christ to His spouse and by her to be faithfully guarded, a philosophic system or a creation of the human conscience, gradually refined by the striving of men and finally to be perfected hereafter by indefinite progress.” 

     The 1949 Letter as published also contained a critical mistranslation of a passage from the encyclical, Mystici Corporis, by saying that non-Catholics "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," The words “related to” are a mistranslation of the Latin which should read “ordained toward.” Also the Latin original is in the subjunctive mood expressing a wish or desire, and not a condition of fact.  It is properly translated as “may be ordained towards” and not, as was done, in the indicative mood as “related to.” It is evident that this mistranslation entirely changes the meaning of what Pius XII said.

     
    Archbishop Lefebvre accepted the 1949 Letter as an orthodox expression of Catholic faith as evidenced by his own writings. The society he founded does so as well.
     
    The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church. 
     The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth.

    Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Open Letter to Confused Catholics
     
     
    And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, The Angelus, A Talk Heard Round the World, April, 2006
     
    The 1949 Letter is the theological foundation for modern ecuмenism, and ecuмenism is the theological foundation for the Novus Ordo and the justification for the overturning of nearly every single Ecclesiastical Tradition in the Roman rite since Vatican II. It is, and should be, a problem for every traditional Catholic that quotations of Archbishop Lefebvre and statements made by Pope John Paul II, the Great Ecuмenist, on this question of salvation are in such close agreement because they are in principle agreeing with modern Ecuмenical Ecclesiology that presupposes that there are many invisible “Catholics” among the heretics, schismatics, infidels, and pagans of the world and that the Church of Christ in fact “subsists” in the Catholic Church and is not, in this world, co-extensive with its visibly baptized members who profess the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith. 
     
     The SSPX’s disagreement with the Vatican on Ecuмenism can only be with the means employed and not the ends, a disagreement of degree and not one of kind. Since ecuмenism is the overarching theological justification for the transmutation of every Ecclesiastical Tradition since Vatican II, and since the SSPX regards Ecclesiastical Traditions as purely disciplinary matters, and not as necessary integral elements of our Faith, they can only argue questions of policy and not principle.  With ‘salvation by implicity’, there can be no meaningful argument against Ecuмenism or Religious Liberty. The accusation of schism becomes meaningless.  Pope John Paul II’s prayer meeting at Assisi makes perfect theological sense. After all, if the Holy Ghost dwells within the souls of many pagans, infidels, heretics, Jєωs, Muslims, even atheists and agnostics who are in the state of grace and secret members of the Mystical Body of Christ, why should we refuse to pray with them?


     Pope Benedict XVI, in December of 2005 addressing the Roman Curia on his “hermeneutics of reform,” emphasized that there is a need for “distinguishing between the substance and the expression of the faith.” That is, he holds that there is a disjunction between Catholic truth and dogmatic formulations. The SSPX expresses a similar opinion with regard to the dogmatic declarations on necessity of the sacraments in general and the sacrament of baptism in particular for salvation, as well as the dogmatic declarations on the necessity for salvation of being a member of the Catholic Church, of professing the Catholic Faith explicitly, and of being subject to the Roman Pontiff. The SSPX argues against a strict literal reading of these dogmatic formulations. Here they are in agreement with the modern Church that dogmatic formulations are open to theological refinement not necessarily in agreement with the literal meaning of the words.

    The SSPX discussions with the Vatican on doctrinal and liturgical questions can go nowhere because the SSPX has taken liturgical and doctrinal positions that in principle are indistinguishable from the Modernists. Their liturgical position, grounded in the Bugnini 1962 transitional extra-ordinary form of the Novus Ordo Missal, will make it impossible to resist the Reform of the Reform. The doctrinal position that holds that dogma is not a definitive expression of our Faith, a formal object of Divine and Catholic Faith, but rather a human expression open to endless theological refinement, will undermine any possible opposition to Ecuмenical Ecclesiology. 

     The common end of all Modernist activity is the destruction of dogma.  The SSPX in their negotiations with Rome cannot defend the Catholic Faith against Modernist errors because the only defense is the immutable universal truth of defined Catholic dogma. In accepting the 1949 Letter as normative, they have stripped themselves of the only weapon against a corrupted authority. They cannot effectively complain about the prayer meeting at Assisi because they have accepted its theological justification. 

    Hilaire Belloc said, ‘Europe is the Faith and the Faith is Europe.’ It sums up the core principle of our cultural heritage.  There is no real defense of our culture without defending the Faith.  Belloc’s contempt for G. G. Coulton was because he was a medievalist who did not understand, and in fact hated, the first principle of medievalism.  Like Coulton you are publishing a magazine entitled “Culture Wars” and you cannot defend the faith, the very heart of our culture, because you do not see its necessary relationship to the Ecclesiastical Traditions that make the faith known and communicable and thus, the heresy of Modernism is invisible to you.  You cannot see the problem beyond a question of “schism.” The analogy between the situation of the SSPX and the priest sex scandal is inappropriate and only demonstrates a belief that the Church’s relation to the culture is more as a victim of its corruption than its mother and guardian. Leo XIII said in Inscrutabili Dei Consilio, “Religious error is the main root of all social and political evils.”  The Vatican II, a pastoral council that has proven itself to be a pastoral failure, binds no Catholic conscience on questions of faith.   
     
    D. M. Drew
    Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission
    York, PA

     
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