I can't tell you how many times I was chastised, yes chastised, for actually asking which side of the aisle I could expect the priest to be offering the Sacrament.  I was told on more than one occasion by more than one priest that I shouldn't be concerned about who was "giving me the Eucharist."  

What makes me angry, really angry, is that reverent Catholics who DO believe in the Real Presence, who receive kneeling and on the tongue are ostracized and ridiculed BY THE PRIESTS along with the parishioners.  

I also try to stay in the aisle where the priest is. We have an EMHC in our church who plays priest in the other aisle (yep, a woman) who imitates the priest's blessing when certain people come up for Communion.

I receive kneeling, on the tongue, and veiled in my N.O. parish, and no one ridicules me. In fact, a couple of people have come up to me to tell me they were happy to see me wearing it; it reminded them of their childhood and young adulthood.

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No, the picture doesn't anger me.  The N.O. believes that the act of changing the host and wine into the body and blood of Christ is only symbolic, therefore real transubstantiation doesn't take place.   So, all I see in the picture is a waitress handing out cookies and kewl-aid, no problem there.  Now if transubstantiation had really occurred, then yes I'd be angry.  

Some N.O. priests believe in transubstantiation, some don't. To paint them all with the same brush and say their Eucharist is invalid is unfair.

What's unfair in no paten.  If transubstantiation has taken place, how many pieces of Our Blessed Lord's body are being trampled underfoot, stuck on people's clothing and run through the washing machine, etc.?    What's also unfair, is anyone but a validly ordained priest touching the Body of Our Blessed Lord. :sad:

Some N.O. priests believe in transubstantiation, some don't. To paint them all with the same brush and say their Eucharist is invalid is unfair.
 

It is true that some N.O. priests believe in transubstantiation, some don't.

But the invalidity of their "sacraments" is not due to unbelief.

Wow, did I join a forum for trads or for arrogant sedevacantists?

If all of you act like this, please, by all means, ban me now.

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"Even if that vicar were a devil incarnate, I must not defy him."
~ Saint Catherine of Siena, on the Pope

A note to sedes - Saint Catherine believed that an antipope was the true Pope, and she is in heaven. Something to think about.

I would have to agree if, the VII popes were the vicar of Christ, but the sede position believe they are not popes of any kind.  

BTW, sedevacantist are traditional Catholics, ask Matthew.  

Wow, did I join a forum for trads or for arrogant sedevacantists?

If all of you act like this, please, by all means, ban me now.

Look, I don't want to be critical of you personally.  But I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement.  Being a traditional Catholic is not about ritual and the Mass in Latin.  It's about a world view, and attitude, if you will.  That world view doesn't make any one of us "arrogant".  

Our family left the NO church because it is an empty shell and full of abuses.  Females, like the ones in the photo above, are just a symptom of the problem.  Speaking for myself, I don't consider myself a traditional Catholic because I kneel at communion, receive the Sacrament on my tongue, and wear a veil.  Anybody with nerve can do that.  It means very little really.

There are MANY obvious problems with the Modern Catholic Church.  There are many not-so-obvious problems as well.  

Although I am not a sede, I completely understand how one can hold that position.  While some are adamant about this position, I certainly don't find sede's as a whole "arrogant."  

The Catholic Church is in a crisis.  I'm trying to work it all out, as I think many really sincere people are.

If the discussions here offend you because most of us find the NO repulsive, or because some question the validity of the Mass and the priests there, perhaps you may find another site more suitable to your sensibilities.

Welcome to Pax et Bonum!  I have been a traditional misfit in liberal N.O. parishes most of my life.  Currently I attend the most conservative N.O. parish I've ever so much as visited, and frequently attend a Motu TLM.  I believe Benedict XVI is the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, and believe myself to be a Communicant of the Roman Catholic Church, as fully in terms of the True Church as one can possibly be, and certainly don't think I'm going to hell BECAUSE of being where the Apostolic chain IS unless God is playing the rotating cups game with us!!

To the point of the thread, the picture ANGERS the TOTAL HELL out of this N.O.er!!!  Why?  Where should I start?  The unconsecrated hands touching my Lord!  The person being female administering the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Lord!  The person being attired in street clothes administering the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Lord!  The smile on the face of the person  administering the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Lord, rather than somber seriousness!!  The lack of a paten to protect stray particles that are the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Lord!  The fact that the recipient, though perhaps the most respectful in the picture, is not showing more reverence by receiving the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Lord kneeling, on the tongue, with her head veiled!

I'm still going.  What ANGERS me more than what meets the eye is the perverted dimented culture spewed from VII making this possible!  I would venture to suspect that rather than uncaring callousness on the part of the 2 girls, they may as likely be as Catholic as they know how to be!  They are more likely where they are because the unshakeable ROCK convened for the primary purpose of shaking during the DUMBEST choice of a time to do so possible, at least arguably the most turbulent decade in 150 years!  That is WHY these may be well intentioned young ladies who don't know any better!  And the FACT that there is plausibly a valid reason well intentioned Catholics would not know better ANGERS me the most!

What is this talk of determining which side the Priest is going to be on.  Anytime that I've been in such a predicament over the past several years (I try EARNESTLY not to find myself visiting such a parish anymore) social graces are of ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERN to me!  I'll walk all the way around the Church to get in the line with the Priest; I'll cross to the "wrong" side of the aisle; I'll receive from the Priest and may say "excuse me" if I feel like it for any lack of "social grace" or "politeness."

Far too many N.O. parishes are as depicted in the photo!  But NOT ALL of them!  And for the snide comment about "Eucharistic Celebration," my N.O. parish DOES NOT use that terminology, and does not conduct itself as depicted in the photo!  The liberal boomers (children of the 1960s told their way is ok by VII) are the ones who stand out for their trademark REFUSAL TO CONFORM and receive kneeling on the tongue as the rest of the parish.

I'm not saying anyone else here is not truly Catholic.  But the N.O. Church is truly Catholic, as well, and, THUS, the CRISIS!!  I must agree that in most examples it is AS two religions.  But in reality I do not believe that.  I respect those on here as I infer have reasoned out that it is a different religion, that transubstantiation does not occur there, that Benedict XVI is not the Pope.  I wish I could believe that, I'm not saying this is the reason of those who do believe that way, but had I been introduced to your view 15 - 20 yrs ago, that would have been something of an easy route for me to say their "pope" is not really the Pope, their "Eucharist" is not the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of my Precious Savior, etc.  I say this not to anger you all, but please indulge me and pray about this and search your soul ONCE MORE to make sure you're where you are for the right reasons.

I found some the comments directed to Pax et Bonum uncharitable and lacking in instructive value.  This isn't the place to get all Church "Militant" against one reaching out to bring tradition into his life.  The place to get Church "Militant" is in the pews of the liberal modernist N.O. Churches!

No, because if it's prot...it's prot...and I don't care what they do


And if it's the NO....it's prot...and I don't care what they do....it does not apply to me.

The N.O. is an atrosity, but I respectfully disagree that it is protestant.  But even assuming that perspective is correct, do you not believe the circuмstances of the takeover was such as to confuse even innocent faithful Catholics such that there are 2nd and 3rd generations there now who wholeheartedly intend to be Catholic who are in the only "Catholic" Church they can practically be expected to know.  Well, I am fairly well educated and well traveled, and VERY interested in tradition since my teenage years, and I knew NO OTHER OPTIONS than N.O. Catholicism until I stumble upon the SSPX website a few years ago researching a particular Catholic position!  I had had long since had MANY arguments with my father, had frequently told him that I was more Catgolic than the Catholic Church during our arguments over my disillusionment with the "Mass," etc., and had finally worked past ALONE--BY MYSELF--the idea of leaving the Church.  Had I done that, I would probably be lost as a Methodist or Lutheran or something today--I'm most pleased that I remained Catholic--especially now that I have found tradition and there is a move toward tradition emanating from Rome!

I am so sore on this point because I knew only the N.O. myself so many years.  And I always fought for Catholic points against protestants and strived as best I knew to be Catholic and felt a strong yearning for tradition.  I believe I was enduring a BASTARDIZED irreverent protestant-appeasing version of the One True Church, but HAVE NEVER been a protestant!!!!!!

I have mixed emotions upon learning over the past few months reviewing trad forums, etc., that the number of people who share my sentiments probably number in the millions, as opposed to a few (less than 10) thousand as I perceived during my struggles with Faith during the 1990s.  On one hand I am most appreciative for having found this community of trad Catholics.  On the other, I am PISSED OFF regarding the lack of unity and publicity and to think that I struggled so very long (not that I don't accept some of the fault myself) feeling like a FREAK, perceiving myself as one of perhaps 3,000 or so!!!!

Scipio, I'm sorry, I know this isn't exactly what you're saying, but it came close enough to the "to hell with NOers" sentiment, to cause this venting.  Again, I apologize as I realize this is not exactly what you are saying and is hopefully not your sentiments.  But this seemed an appropriate juncture for me to get this off my chest!  Throughout my period of struggle, I was not aware of the SSPX, Sede groups (to which I may well have turned at that time), and decided to remain in the only Catholic Church I knew, all the while yearning for tradition!  To think that any traditional Catholic would deem it ok for me or any other soul of my disposition so situated to go to go to hell (as that is the implication of thinking the NO is protestant) without so much as a lifeline (publicity, tables in college student centers, etc.) seems most uncharitable and utterly unacceptable!