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Offline SJB

Beatification and Canonization Since Vatican II: 3-Part Study
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2014, 04:11:57 PM »
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John Lane on Fr. Gleize's study:

"Fr. Gleize's central point is absolutely the same question, couched in terms appropriate to the matter of canonisation. He is asking what mechanism, so to speak, is employed by the Holy Ghost, cooperating with men, to bring about the complete certitude that is required in order for a proposition ("this man is in heaven and his life, one of heroic not merely ordinary virtue, is to be venerated and imitated") to be "definable."

This is basically what I have been saying for a long time in that the Church has yet to define, first of all, that canonizations are infallible and if so, then secondly, what are the conditions that need to be fulfilled prior to giving us the certitude that the canonization is infallible.


Just because the Church has not defined it, does not mean that you are free to not believe it.  


Bp. Gasser has answered this question in his relatio as a relator of the Faith at Vatican I.

Quote from: Bp. Gasser, Relatio
But in no way, therefore, should it be feared that the universal Church could be led into error about faith through the bad faith and negligence of the Pontiff. For the protection of Christ and the divine assistance promised to the successors of Peter is a cause so efficacious that the judgment of the supreme Pontiff would be impeded if it were to be erroneous and destructive of the Church ...

Keep Bishop's Gasser's words in context to the conditions defined at Vatican I for the pope to be infallible.


The relatio explains what the Fathers were voting on. It is the context of Vatican I.

Offline Ladislaus

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Beatification and Canonization Since Vatican II: 3-Part Study
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2014, 04:19:02 PM »
Quote from: Bp. Gasser
But in no way, therefore, should it be feared that the universal Church could be led into error about faith through the bad faith and negligence of the Pontiff. For the protection of Christ and the divine assistance promised to the successors of Peter is a cause so efficacious that the judgment of the supreme Pontiff would be impeded if it were to be erroneous and destructive of the Church ...


And I believe this also, which is why I reject R&R.