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Offline Geremia

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Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
« on: November 29, 2016, 12:06:56 PM »
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  • Does the SSPX perform marriages between a traditional Catholic and and a Novus Ordite? Or does the SSPX consider these mixed marriages?
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #1 on: November 29, 2016, 02:48:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Does the SSPX perform marriages between a traditional Catholic and and a Novus Ordite? Or does the SSPX consider these mixed marriages?


    Why would those be considered mixed marriages? If any Novus Ordo parishioner is even considering marrying an SSPXer, they likely know their faith and are thus, Catholic.
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #2 on: November 29, 2016, 05:27:08 PM »
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    Why would those be considered mixed marriages?
    Because Conciliar Church ? Catholic Church.
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    If any Novus Ordo parishioner is even considering marrying an SSPXer, they likely know their faith and are thus, Catholic.
    Good point
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #3 on: November 29, 2016, 06:49:21 PM »
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  • I can't think of any group that would consider marriage to a NO Catholic a mixed marriage...
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #4 on: November 29, 2016, 10:13:04 PM »
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    I can't think of any group that would consider marriage to a NO Catholic a mixed marriage...
    Yeah, I can't think of any (even sedevacantists) who require Novus Ordites to formally renounce their false Modernistic sect. It seems almost all sedevacantists think the Conciliar Church has something of the Catholic Church, or is more Catholic than the Eastern Orthoducks.
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2016, 11:43:34 PM »
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  • Unless the question of faculties is resolved with respect to the celebration of weddings then the Novus Ordo Church would very likely require a dispensation for a wedding in a SSPX church.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016, 12:52:44 AM »
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    Unless the question of faculties is resolved with respect to the celebration of weddings then the Novus Ordo Church would very likely require a dispensation for a wedding in a SSPX church.


    A serious Novus "Ordite" would not marry in an SSPX chapel without a dispensation. A serious SSPXer or  sede would not ask a Novus Ordo rites ordained "priest" for a dispensation. If they are both serious in their beliefs, they would never marry.
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2016, 12:02:23 AM »
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    Unless the question of faculties is resolved with respect to the celebration of weddings then the Novus Ordo Church would very likely require a dispensation for a wedding in a SSPX church.


    A serious Novus "Ordite" would not marry in an SSPX chapel without a dispensation. A serious SSPXer or  sede would not ask a Novus Ordo rites ordained "priest" for a dispensation. If they are both serious in their beliefs, they would never marry.


    That would depend on how much the couple loved one another.


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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #8 on: December 07, 2016, 07:06:14 PM »
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  • That's because those in the Novus Ordo still PROFESS the Catholic faith.  Novus Ordo isn't the equivalent of a formally schismatic or heretical group like Orthodox or Protestants.  It's in a very blurry place.  If a Novus Ordo person wants to become Traditional, they needn't abjure any formal association with a schismatic/heretical group.  Now, if they ever held any heresies, then those they would have to confess and reject, but in the same way that any Traditional Catholic would need to do.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 07, 2016, 08:39:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    That's because those in the Novus Ordo still PROFESS the Catholic faith.  Novus Ordo isn't the equivalent of a formally schismatic or heretical group like Orthodox or Protestants.  It's in a very blurry place.  If a Novus Ordo person wants to become Traditional, they needn't abjure any formal association with a schismatic/heretical group.  Now, if they ever held any heresies, then those they would have to confess and reject, but in the same way that any Traditional Catholic would need to do.


    I've met some very holy people (may God grant them many years) who attend the Novus Ordo. Simply attending the Novus Ordo does not make you a schismatic or a heretic. Ladislaus is right.
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #10 on: December 07, 2016, 08:56:02 PM »
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    I've met some very holy people (may God grant them many years) who attend the Novus Ordo.
    The same could be said about many Eastern Orthoducks, couldn't it?
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    Simply attending the Novus Ordo does not make you a schismatic or a heretic.
    Not even a material heretic?
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    « Reply #11 on: December 08, 2016, 04:05:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    That's because those in the Novus Ordo still PROFESS the Catholic faith.  Novus Ordo isn't the equivalent of a formally schismatic or heretical group like Orthodox or Protestants.  It's in a very blurry place.  If a Novus Ordo person wants to become Traditional, they needn't abjure any formal association with a schismatic/heretical group.  Now, if they ever held any heresies, then those they would have to confess and reject, but in the same way that any Traditional Catholic would need to do.


    The Novus Ordo, is like Protestantism, you can do whatever you want.

    If an adult person who is well prepared and needs nothing from the priest but the mass, he believes he must be "united to Rome"and he finds a conservative mass that few people attend, and he has nowhere else to go, then he has no choice, but to go. That's a rare individual.

    If there is a wife and children, he can't go to the Novus Ordo or they will loose the faith. Even if an individual meets all those situations above, it is for the others that go with him, that he can't go there.  When one discusses in a forum the possibilty of attendance at the Novus Ordo, one should think that they are taking along their children for life. Would you purposely expose your children to the Novus Ordo world for even one minute?
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #12 on: December 08, 2016, 10:19:35 AM »
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    I've met some very holy people (may God grant them many years) who attend the Novus Ordo.
    The same could be said about many Eastern Orthoducks, couldn't it?
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    Simply attending the Novus Ordo does not make you a schismatic or a heretic.
    Not even a material heretic?


    This is if and only if you keep the Catholic faith attending it. Remember that Traditional Catholicism is very spotty outside of America and France.
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    Does the SSPX perform mixed marriages?
    « Reply #13 on: December 08, 2016, 01:50:58 PM »
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  • Catholic Encyclopedia Definition of Mixed Marriages...

    (Latin: Matrimonia mixta )

    "Technically, mixed marriages are those between Catholics and non-Catholics, when the latter have been baptized in some Christian sect. The term is also frequently employed to designate unions between Catholics and infidels. From the very beginning of its existence the Church of Christ has been opposed to such unions."



    The SSPX have recently become much more friendly with those at the novus ordo, and visa versa.  So, they probably would not have too much concern about their groups intermarrying.  The SSPX don't like the novus ordo, but most of them don't seem to claim that it is likely invalid or should absolutely be avoided.

    However, the "Resistance" is quite a bit more against the novus ordo.  My pastor has told me that I should treat the novus ordo services like Protestant services.  For, even in the case that they are valid, they are generally sacrilegious and against the traditional customs of the Church.  We can attend for a wedding, but only sit in the back and not participate.  



    Now, it is very crucial that parents agree in matters of religion, otherwise this will tear the family apart.  I have known quite a number of families who split up because one parent was traditional Catholic and the kids to go with them to Mass, but the other parent was novus ordo and wanted the kids to go with them.  So, it is definitely not advisable...



    It is also important to remember that feelings change over time.  So, it is wise to chose a spouse who will appreciate and your opinions, rather than just one who feels drawn towards you.  It is not always easy, but in the long run you will be glad that you did so...

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