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Author Topic: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??  (Read 4733 times)

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Offline Philothea3

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2022, 11:49:23 AM »
Quote from: trento on March 10, 2022, 11:40:22 AM
The term "Conciliar Church" was actually coined by the Cardinal Benelli. And the response of Archbishop Lefebvre? "To whatever extent Pope, Bishops, priests, or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church." To me it is like a cancer affecting the members and even the visible Head.
I assumed members on this forum are mostly Lefebvrists if not sedes, and with this quote here I don't understand why some replies keep emphasizing the members of the conciliar church are catholics too.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2022, 12:07:48 PM »
Quote from: Philothea3 on March 10, 2022, 11:39:45 AM
What's una cuм?
"...which we offer Thee firstly for Thy holy Catholic Church. Be pleased to grant her peace, to guard, unite and govern her throughout the whole world, together with Thy servant our Pope N. and N. our Bishop, and all those who..."

The sedes remove the part of the canon of the mass that I struck a line through, when the name of the pope is removed, they refer to this Mass as a non-una cuм Mass.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2022, 12:12:15 PM »
Quote from: trento on March 10, 2022, 11:22:51 AM
I thought Bishop Sanborn of the RCI holds to the Thesis which is sedeprivationaism, yet I recall seeing a video of his voicing out against going to "una cuм" Masses, unlike the position of Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI.

Bishop Sanborn's spin on sedeprivationism makes it largely indistinguishable from dogmatic sedevacantism.  But with straight sedeprivationism, I could see someone entering the name of the Pope in the Canon, since the man would in fact be materially the pope.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2022, 12:13:39 PM »
Quote from: Philothea3 on March 10, 2022, 11:49:23 AM
I assumed members on this forum are mostly Lefebvrists if not sedes, and with this quote here I don't understand why some replies keep emphasizing the members of the conciliar church are catholics too.

Members of the Conciliar Church CAN be Catholics.  It's only a minority of Traditional Catholics who deny that.
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Offline Philothea3

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2022, 12:25:49 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 10, 2022, 12:13:39 PM
Members of the Conciliar Church CAN be Catholics.  It's only a minority of Traditional Catholics who deny that.
Then what's with that quote "To whatever extent Pope, Bishops, priests, or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church." 
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