Author Topic: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics?? (Read 4788 times)

Philothea3 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2022, 12:43:09 PM »

Quote from: Francis Xavier on March 09, 2022, 11:17:28 AM

Like attending Protestant “masses,” praying together with the heretics and schismatics, celebrating Hanukkah or kissing the Koran?

Well then obviously the people mentioned in the question will do some of those if not all of those

Philothea3 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2022, 12:50:19 PM »

Quote from: josefamenendez on March 09, 2022, 10:01:29 AM

Bishop Williamson says they are Catholic- so I would be careful on things like the "illuminati" mysteries and the Divine mercy, but I would think praying with them, as in the Rosary, would be ok.
I don't think we have the right to call them heretics, just lost.

Yet it's ok to say Pope Francis is a heretic? Hmm...

Mark 79 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2022, 12:57:35 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on March 09, 2022, 11:37:16 AM

…They have deposed the pope, the hierarchy, and the whole Church.…

The anti-Popes depose themselves "automatically."

The hierarchy is deposed only insofar as invalid acts/consecrations of an anti-Pope and any invalid "sacraments" promulgated by an anti-Pope.

The whole Church is indefectible. It may be small and hard to find (Luke 18:8), but it cannot defect or be deposed.

Bonaventure · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2022, 01:22:44 PM »

In Matthew 5:13-16, Jesus says his Church would be like "[a] city seated on a mountain..." that cannot be hid, and thus, not hard to find.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2022, 01:45:40 PM »

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You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. [14] You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Matthew 5:13-14

Difficult to reconcile with the situation at His Second Coming:

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And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? [8] I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? Luke 18:7-8

Since both must be true, I see only one way to reconcile the two: that for a time the Church "cannot be hid," but by the time of the "cries of the elect" and His Second Coming the Faith will be hard to find, no longer that city on a mountain.

Do you see another way of reconciling the two?

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