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Author Topic: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??  (Read 4721 times)

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Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2022, 11:22:51 AM »
Well, many of the dogmatic sedevacantists think this way, but, generally speaking, the moderate ones do not.  Sedevacantism is driven not by the question of Jorge Berogliogo's personal orthodoxy.  Question is whether the Magisterium could teach this degree of error and whether the Church could promulgate a Rite of Mass that displeases God and harms souls.  Whether that means full sedevacantism, sedeprivationism, or even Father Chazal's position that their heresy strips them of teaching authority, that's debatable.

I disagree that most SVs are ecclesiavacantists.  You can count the dogmatic ones (the anti-"una cuм" folks on a couple of hands).  By far the vast majority hold to something akin to sedeprivationism.
I thought Bishop Sanborn of the RCI holds to the Thesis which is sedeprivationaism, yet I recall seeing a video of his voicing out against going to "una cuм" Masses, unlike the position of Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI.

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2022, 11:39:45 AM »
I thought Bishop Sanborn of the RCI holds to the Thesis which is sedeprivationaism, yet I recall seeing a video of his voicing out against going to "una cuм" Masses, unlike the position of Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI.
What's una cuм?


Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2022, 11:40:22 AM »
I think of it as a body eclipsing the true Church. As a counterfeit church could never actually be PART of the one, Holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. Some can see the true Church in the corona surrounding this body, but many mistake it for the Church out of ignorance.
The term "Conciliar Church" was actually coined by the Cardinal Benelli. And the response of Archbishop Lefebvre? "To whatever extent Pope, Bishops, priests, or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church." To me it is like a cancer affecting the members and even the visible Head.

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2022, 11:42:52 AM »
What's una cuм?
Traditional masses that commemorate Francis as the pope and the local ordinary as the bishop in the Canon of the Mass are commonly called by sedevacantists as "una cuм" Masses. The "una cuм" refers to the Latin phrase meaning "in union with".

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2022, 11:47:03 AM »
I thought Bishop Sanborn of the RCI holds to the Thesis which is sedeprivationaism, yet I recall seeing a video of his voicing out against going to "una cuм" Masses, unlike the position of Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI.
Indeed he does. Yet he also adheres to dogmatic non una cuм, which honestly isn't out of line with his position since both came from Bp. Des Lauriers.