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Author Topic: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??  (Read 4778 times)

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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2022, 05:12:35 PM »
Quote from: Bonaventure on March 09, 2022, 04:44:31 PM
All I can say is that no one knows when the Second Coming will take place.  IIRC, even St. Paul thought it may be during his lifetime?  Nor am I competent to subjectively hold an opinion as to whether we are at, or even near, the Second Coming.  Yeah, things are bad now, but they can--and most likely will--be much, much worse.  So, as I see it, that city seated on the mountain is still there, unhidden.

I too cannot offer a dispositive opinion, but I'd buy "currently unhidden, but shriveling and perhaps in extremīs."
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Offline Philothea3

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2022, 05:42:56 PM »
Quote from: Bonaventure on March 09, 2022, 05:04:36 PM
Your question was answered on the first page.  What else do you need to know?
Not really. Are V2 docuмents considered a heretical docuмents? Doesn't it make people who believe it heretics? (religious freedom etc.) Someone brought up judge by behaviours, well the N.O. people clearly go to N.O. with no problem too or even "communion service" and believe it's the congregation that makes the consecration happens...

Maybe let me ask this way, do you think it's fine to pray Rosary with, say, a protestant? 
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Offline Nadir

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2022, 05:51:26 PM »
Quote from: Philothea3 on March 09, 2022, 05:00:47 PM
I have no idea if the recent replies have anything to do with my question :sleep:
Your question,  Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??, demands a Yes/No answer. My answer is NO. Many NO/Vat2 Catholics have no heretical thoughts or intentions or ill will. They simply don't know the truth of what has happened in the Church.

In most threads, unless they gave a very short life span, will lead, through an association of ideas, to other fruitful but related discussion. If you are interested in other fruitful discussion, hang around this thread, otherwise push on to something that won't put you to sleep.
:popcorn:
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2022, 05:56:31 PM »
Quote from: Philothea3 on March 09, 2022, 05:42:56 PM
Not really. Are V2 considered a heretical docuмent? Then doesn't it make people who believe it heretics? Someone brought up judge by behaviours, well the N.O. people clearly go to N.O. with no problem too or even "communion service" and believe it's the congregation that makes the consecration happens...
The problem here is between formal heresy and material heresy. A formal heretic would be a Lutheran or Eastern Orthodox who explicitly denies one or more dogmas of the Church. By extension, many of our recent "Popes" have done this. Whereas the majority of Novus Ordo attendees would only be material heretics because they are ignorant of the dogmas that they may implicitly deny; in the case of Vatican II, the teachings on religious liberty.

So, again, to answer your question, NO, those who attend Novus Ordo are not (formal) heretics and you CAN pray with them.
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Offline Philothea3

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2022, 05:57:50 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on March 09, 2022, 05:51:26 PM
Your question,  Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??, demands a Yes/No answer. My answer is NO. Many NO/Vat2 Catholics have no heretical thoughts or intentions or ill will. They simply don't know the truth of what has happened in the Church.

In most threads, unless they gave a very short life span, will lead, through an association of ideas, to other fruitful but related discussion. If you are interested in other fruitful discussion, hang around this thread, otherwise push on to something that won't put you to sleep.
:popcorn:
Looks like it makes sense at the first look, but you can basically use the same logic for literally any heretics, or at least the followers of a heresy if not the inventors? Most likely they probably don't know the truth instead of knowing but denying.
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