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Offline Philothea3

Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« on: March 08, 2022, 06:41:16 PM »
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2022, 10:01:29 AM »
Bishop Williamson says they are Catholic- so I would be careful on things like the "illuminati" mysteries and the Divine mercy, but I would think praying with them, as in the Rosary, would be ok.
I don't think we have the right to call them heretics, just lost.
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2022, 10:22:46 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on March 09, 2022, 10:01:29 AM
I don't think we have the right to call them heretics, just lost.

On an individual basis, there are a good number within the Novus Ordo who, by their very words and actions, are heretics.  Some would argue the same regarding certain members within "Trad" circles.
 However, as a blanket statement covering every Catholic attending the Novus Ordo, I agree with the above statement.  Unless, of course, someone here has the gift of being able to read everyone's soul.   

If someone is clearly, and proudly, living as a heretic, then don't pray with them. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2022, 10:27:35 AM »
They have not been formally condemned as a group to be heretics, so no. The people making up the NO are at worst material heretics.

Now, if you know individuals who are formal heretics, by all means avoid praying with them.
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Offline Meg

Re: Does praying with N.O./V2 caths count as praying with heretics??
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2022, 10:30:35 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on March 09, 2022, 10:01:29 AM
Bishop Williamson says they are Catholic- so I would be careful on things like the "illuminati" mysteries and the Divine mercy, but I would think praying with them, as in the Rosary, would be ok.
I don't think we have the right to call them heretics, just lost.

I agree. They aren't always aware that they are going against true Church teachings - after all, it's not like they hear true Church teaching from the pulpit. But then again, some of them would be angry if they heard true Church teaching from the pulpit. They are lost, but don't really know it.
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