Author Topic: Does JPII really promote nudism in Theology of the Body8253 (Read 3500 times)

Geremia · « **on:** July 10, 2014, 12:12:28 AM »

Randy Engel's "John Paul II and the 'Theology of the Body' - A Study in Modernism" (originally published in CFN) is a good analysis of the Theology of the Body (ToB) audiences. She agrees with Dörmann, who said "John Paul II did not hold to the truth of the Church’s doctrine on Original Sin."

Fr. Luigi Villa says in "John Paul II Beatified?" that "the masculinity and femininity of the naked body, are for him [John Paul II] the greatest revelations of the human being for themselves and for others."

John Paul II uses the very confusing phrase "revelation of the body", which encapsulates ToB's whole emphasis on spiritualizing the body ("conjugal spirituality" as he calls it in a later audience). Revelation comes from God, not the human body, although in some cases through the human body. JPII's view is consistent with his Modernistic disbelief of objective Revelation, something Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange criticized him about in the failed Angelicuм thesis he directed.

• He says Genesis 2:25 ("And they were both naked; to wit Adam & his wife: and were not ashamed.") is the "original revelation of the body" (source).
• And «the "revelation of the body," helps us somehow to discover the extraordinary side of what is ordinary.» (source)
• Conclusion: Being naked and not ashamed "helps us somehow to discover the extraordinary side of what is ordinary."! This is nudism!

ToB is naturalistic. Man is mentioned far more frequently than God, too.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2014, 08:49:29 AM »

Nothing new here. JP2's overemphasis on the apotheosis of man and denial of Original Sin. TOB is founded on a rejection of the disorder caused by Original Sin in terms of concupiscence. He seems to ignore the fact that Adam and Eve were "naked and not ashamed" BEFORE they fell into sin. After the Fall, if human beings are not ashamed of being naked then they're either absolute saints who've been rid by God of all their concupiscence or else they're perverts. John Paul II thinks that it's the former when it's usually the latter. Even in the former case, the saint would acknowledge that others are not quite so sanctified as themselves and so would still experience a type of shame due to the concupiscence of others.

John Paul II, like most modernists, doesn't really believe in Original Sin.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2014, 08:55:33 AM »

In encouraging lack of shame vis-a-vis concupiscence, JP2's TOB actually inflames concupiscence by encouraging people to behave as if they didn't have any.

I saw a lecture by Christopher West on EWTN where he was mocking and holding in derision people who would keep custody of the eyes; that guy's a pervert who tries to legitimize lust by call it divine and "theological". To show the level at which his mind operates, he claimed, for instance, that the immersion of the Pascal candle into the Baptismal water during the Easter Liturgy was a conjugal / copulative symbol.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2014, 03:57:37 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

• Conclusion: Being naked and not ashamed "helps us somehow to discover the extraordinary side of what is ordinary."! This is nudism!

ToB is naturalistic. Man is mentioned far more frequently than God, too.

How about this:

Being naked and NOT being ashamed ...

when even your DOG is scandalized!

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Geremia · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2014, 08:40:11 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

TOB is founded on a rejection of the disorder caused by Original Sin in terms of concupiscence.

precisely

Quote from: Ladislaus

In encouraging lack of shame vis-a-vis concupiscence, JP2's TOB actually inflames concupiscence by encouraging people to behave as if they didn't have any.

concisely and well said

Quote from: Ladislaus

To show the level at which his mind operates, he claimed, for instance, that the immersion of the Pascal candle into the Baptismal water during the Easter Liturgy was a conjugal / copulative symbol.

That is true. Read this. The Novus (dis)Ordo's Easter Vigil is puritan.