You despise "alt-media" due to your puerile jingoism and brainwashing.  You'll never get the truth from mainstream media, except of course you believe that Soros, Gates, and all the rogues supporting Ukraine are suddenly telling the truth.  You're really an intellectual basket-case.  With a few exceptions, most people here are sophisticated enough to sift out the fake alt-media, usually controlled opposition planted into alt-media by the powers that control the main media, aka the Jews, from what's real.  You've never demonstrated or proven a single point that you've made, but you throw terms of derision like "alt media" out there as if by repeating it as a derisive term people will believe your nonsense.

Lad, you know about Golitsyn, et al., but you pretend I support Soros, Gates and the like. You are a prime example of the childish person I was talking about, because you have to be able to understand more than simple narratives to grasp the truth about politics. Rather than continuing to throw these bad lies out, you should go see a legitimate priest about your slander and other faults in order to actually turn over a new leaf like you pretended to here:

Ah, my fighting days are over.  I've made the determination to turn over a new leaf and just let certain types of comments pass without response.

I didn't actually start this thread.  This post was made inside another, but Matthew kicked it out for thread digression, though I didn't start the digression either.  Lest people think I'm arrogant enough to start a thread about myself.  It was an exercise in introspection that helped me realize why I tend to go off on certain individuals here, that is has to do with my aversion to illogic.

Next time just post "TRIGGERED" and save us a lot of time from reading your posts, because that's the best we could get from your garbage. Better yet, recommit yourself to the post I've quoted above and pick up a hobby like knitting instead of spreading disinformation and propaganda.

Lad, you know about Golitsyn, et al., but you pretend I support Soros, Gates and the like. You are a prime example of the childish person I was talking about, because you have to be able to understand more than simple narratives to grasp the truth about politics. Rather than continuing to throw these bad lies out, you should go see a legitimate priest about your slander and other faults in order to actually turn over a new leaf like you pretended to here:

Next time just post "TRIGGERED" and save us a lot of time from reading your posts, because that's the best we could get from your garbage. Better yet, recommit yourself to the post I've quoted above and pick up a hobby like knitting instead of spreading disinformation and propaganda.

Yeah, so once in a while a combination of shilling with extreme stupidity such as you exhibit on a regular basis I find absolutely insufferable.  You condone, defend, and whitewash all the evils of the corrupted West due to your moronic jingoism, waving your flag and chanting "USA! USA!" as drool comes from the corners of your mouth.  You've become a partisan of evil and have shown which side you've cast your lot in with.

Alright that's it.  I've had enough.  It's time to clean house!

(EWPJ whips out a fresh trout fish out of his back packet and is proceeding to smack people around with it but instead the trout is flopping around rather vivaciously where EWPJ can't get a good grip on it so he proceeds to just lob the fish in the general direction of everyone quarreling.  

(The poor trout is flailing in the air hoping to land in some water but instead falls straight onto a concrete sidewalk in the middle of where everyone is arguing....SMACK!  SPLAT!  The poor trout just splattered all over the ground and fish guts and entrails get on everyones clothes.)

(Everyone looks at the scene and just shake their head at EWPJ and laugh together at the absurdity of this event even though their clothes are soiled with fish and they all get along for a few moments until they all disperse to clean the splattered fish off of their clothes.)

THE END

But undiscerning traditionalists can't accept Cardinal Siri's papacy. They've been indoctrinated to believe the legitimacy of a Church held hostage for 65 years by a false throne of modernists jew popes.


In summary, Cardinal Siri, elected Pope Gregory XVII in 1958, was the pope who "suffered much", as spoken by Our Lady of La Salette in 1846.

The pressing issue is that if this were true, he did practically nothing to preserve the Catholic Church and probably even celebrated in the new Rite and kissed the ring of false Popes (assuming the truth of Siri Theory). He even wrote docuмents post-Vatican II that were traditional and highly suggestive, but do nothing to help us determine anything about the post-Vatican II papacy issues. The supposed "legitimate" Siri priesthood is yet another dead end that is promoted by the one pope in red guy (thepopeinred.com) with his many websites, which does nothing to help traditionalists. Don't get me wrong, it would be great if there were something substantial to this, but I have yet to see anything useful to have come out of it.

Agreed.

The suffering Cardinal Siri was weak and surrounded.
He was threatened with the murder of his family and the nuclear annihilation of the Vatican and he caved.
He even admitted to taking an oath of secrecy, as all the Cardinals of the 1958 Conclave did.

But he was still the Pope.

I've seen posters here denounce Cardinal Siri as a "coward" and a "traitor", with all the bravado of a keyboard warrior.  Let's have someone threaten to slaughter your large extended family or to execute bishops/priests behind the Iron Curtain, or to nuke the Vatican, or some threat along those lines, and see how brave these keyboard warriors are then.  Siri probably wasn't aware that he was being replaced with a Communist/Masonic agent, but just some more liberal-leaning Cardinal, probably was somewhat reluctant to accept the papacy anyway (as most of those elected are), and trusted the Holy Ghost to work it all out.  Well, the Holy Ghost did work it out the way God wanted it, which was to allow this crisis in the Church, and if there's any fault, it's more with Pius XI and Pius XII for failing to perform the consecration requested by Our Lady, and on Pius XII for appointing much of the rogue's gallery of Modernist bishops who would bring the world Vatican II, and on all the Catholics who failed to take up the prayer and penance requested by Our Lady.  It's our fault that God hasn't ended the crisis.  But God wanted this crisis to serve as a "sifting" of the wheat from the chaff, separating out the weeds from the healthy crops, etc.  Prior to Vatican II, these Modernists were everywhere and were ruining souls by stealth.

Just think of how widespread Modernism was at the time of Vatican II.  St. Pius X had all he could do to root them out with the Sodalitium but by the time of Vatican II (after Benedict XV, Pius XI, and Pius XII rolled back the effort and let their guard down), the Church had become absolutely infested.  St. Pius X said that even in his day, with all his efforts, that humanly speaking the Church was finished.  Father Feeney at one point wrote to all the bishops of the world about needing to reaffirm EENS dogma (had nothing to do with BoD at the time), and he received only 4 positive responses.  99% of the American clergy were absolutely infested, between accepting evolution, the Big Bang, denying the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, religious indifferentism, pretty much the entire Syllabus of Errors, etc.

That's why God took the Noah and the Sodom & Gomorrah approach, let the Conciliar Church take over, and then told His remnant faithful:  "Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues." (Revelation 18:4).  He instructed His faithful to get out of the Conciliar Church.  So He chose to separate the wheat from the chaff, the weeds from the crops, by doing it in reverse, by pulling the good out so that the bad can be burned.  Just as He put Noah and his family on the ark and then proceeded to flood the entire world, and told Lot and his family to leave and then proceeded to incinerate Sodom and Gomorrah, so He's had Traditional Catholics leave the Conciliar Church ... so that He can wipe it out.

I've seen posters here denounce Cardinal Siri as a "coward" and a "traitor", with all the bravado of a keyboard warrior.  Let's have someone threaten to slaughter your large extended family or to execute bishops/priests behind the Iron Curtain, or to nuke the Vatican, or some threat along those lines, and see how brave these keyboard warriors are then. ...

It would be great to see some real evidence and not these dubious conspiracy theories. I bet I know what we will get anyway. Siri participated in THREE papal elections and died in 1989! The Soviet Union was supposedly in the process of disintegrating near the end of his life, but it was impossible for him to do anything at all to record the truth of the matter for the post-Soviet future? The CIA must have intercepted those letters, of course.

WHAT?  So Pope John is elected in 1958 and he calls a highly-secretive, highly-unusual meeting to tell (certain specific cardinals, but not all of them) that he was going to call V2….3+ years later…!?


Something that didn’t happen for 3-4 years, was so important it couldn’t wait til tomorrow?  Haha.  That’s utterly ridiculous. 

Something highly unusual and historically ominous happened at that conclave. 

Correct.  Cardinal Siri said that very serious things took place and that these were horrible/terrible.  That's not smoking gun proof that the Siri Theory is true, but it's one data point putting the picture together.

White smoke.  Not "smoking" gun proof either, but strange, along with the fact that some Cardinals in the conclave were waving to the crowds, the Swiss guard called out.

Paul Williams FBI docuмents.  Possibly made up, but seems unlikely.  Williams isn't Catholic and didn't have any theological agenda, and just mentions this in passing.  Also gave a detail about Siri having chosen the name Gregory XVII, but didn't understand the significance of this (that means he accepted).

Scortesco's testimony -- and Scortesco was founded burned to death in his bed a few weeks later.

Malachi Martin (though he can't be trusted) saying the same thing.

So if you put all these points together, and then look at what Roncalli et al did to the Church afterwards (another data point), the probability increases even more.

That Roncalli was a Communist/Masonic agent can hardly be doubted.  Not only did Masonic lodges claim he had been initiated, and Roncalli fraternized with Communists, and had an atheist Mason put the Cardinal zucchetto on his head, but Masonic publications hailed his election and his Pacem in Terris as embodying Masonic principles.  In one of his early encyclicals, Roncalli uses a curious expression about a "mysterious force" rising.  "Mysterious Force" is actually a name for Masonry.

Once could then go on for hours about Montini, but he publicly wore the Masonic "ephod of Caiaphas" ... and on and on.