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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2023, 07:43:08 PM »
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    • But how does the Siri Thesis account for the fact that ALL of the bishops and cardinals at VII signed docuмents that deny the First Commandment and the need for the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ?



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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #46 on: September 24, 2023, 07:52:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 24, 2023, 07:43:08 PM
    But how does the Siri Thesis account for the fact that ALL of the bishops and cardinals at VII signed docuмents that deny the First Commandment and the need for the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

    Montini was the key catalyst for change. He was a Jєωιѕн homsɛҳuąƖ monster, without a conscience.
    He had had already betrayed Catholic underground priests in Russia in the late 1930s.

    The masons knew they couldn't go far without him.
     
    Chiesa Viva explains that's why they αssαssιnαtҽd Pius XII, to bring Roncalli as a placeholder, giving them time to position Montini for election.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #47 on: September 24, 2023, 07:59:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 24, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
    Montini was the key catalyst for change.

    We can observe this, but not that Siri was elected, that he knew what was going on or operated in any capacity against them. More than likely he didn't know anything concrete and operated in the limited capacity he could over the next three decades.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #48 on: September 24, 2023, 08:56:29 PM »
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    I think +Siri was interviewed by others, besides Gary.  If you put together everything +Siri said (both by words and expressions) it's a lot of corroboration.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #49 on: September 24, 2023, 09:17:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 24, 2023, 07:52:15 PM

    Chiesa Viva explains that's why they αssαssιnαtҽd Pius XII, to bring Roncalli as a placeholder, giving them time to position Montini for election.

    Roncalli's #1 job was to get Montini the Cardinal hat, which had been denied by Pius XII (though more should have been done to get Montini out of the picture).  Montini was the first Cardinal made by Roncalli.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #50 on: September 24, 2023, 09:19:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 24, 2023, 07:43:08 PM
    But how does the Siri Thesis account for the fact that ALL of the bishops and cardinals at VII signed docuмents that deny the First Commandment and the need for the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

    How does ANY position on the crisis account for that fact?  Basically, the Church's infallibility centers around the papacy, with the bishops needing to teach in union with the Holy Father.  If Roncalli/Montini weren't legitimate popes, whether because of Siri being the Pope or for other reasons, then their acts would not be protected by the Holy Ghost.  Siri Thesis is in a way just a variation on SVism, an alternative explanation for WHY these guys weren't legitimate popes.

    Not ALL the bishops signed, though, as we know at least of Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello who signed none of the docuмents.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #51 on: September 24, 2023, 09:23:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 24, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
    Montini was the key catalyst for change. He was a Jєωιѕн homsɛҳuąƖ monster, without a conscience.
    He had had already betrayed Catholic underground priests in Russia in the late 1930s.

    The masons knew they couldn't go far without him.
     
    Chiesa Viva explains that's why they αssαssιnαtҽd Pius XII, to bring Roncalli as a placeholder, giving them time to position Montini for election.

    I once read a book written by a woman, I think that she was the subject of a thread recently, on which she says that Pius XII, Roncalli and Montini all belonged to the same "party", meaning that they all shared the same project for the Church.

    She even claims that Pius XII was a Jew himself.

    We have no solid facts either way, as far as I know, but that was as interesting read all the same.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #52 on: September 24, 2023, 09:34:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on September 24, 2023, 09:23:51 PM
    I once read a book written by a woman, I think that she was the subject of a thread recently, on which she says that Pius XII, Roncalli and Montini all belonged to the same "party", meaning that they all shared the same project for the Church.

    She even claims that Pius XII was a Jew himself.

    We have no solid facts either way, as far as I know, but that was as interesting read all the same.

    It's all very interesting to read about, especially when it comes to Pius XII and his role as the bridge between the old and the new. I often wonder if there might be more materials available in Italian which haven't been translated into English. Though we can still read quite a bit about Mother Pascalina, Bugnini and the Pian Cardinalate.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #53 on: September 24, 2023, 11:01:00 PM »
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    If Roncalli/Montini weren't legitimate popes, whether because of Siri being the Pope or for other reasons, then their acts would not be protected by the Holy Ghost.  Siri Thesis is in a way just a variation on SVism, an alternative explanation for WHY these guys weren't legitimate popes.
    Why are V2 popes invalid?

    a.  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/heresy after election.  
    b.  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/heresy before election. 
    c.  Siri thesis; invalid resignation
    d.  All of the above

    My opinion is D.  God has allowed this crisis for a variety of reasons but He’s not some monster who plays “gotcha” with us poor creatures.  God, in His infinite Mercy, wants us to find Truth.  There’s a variety of ways to arrive at the same conclusion.

    Just as there are a variety of ways to arrive at the conclusion that V2 and the new mass are wrong.  The splintered nature of Traditionalism (including the indult) proves this.  Blessed be God!
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #54 on: September 25, 2023, 07:09:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 24, 2023, 11:01:00 PM
    Why are V2 popes invalid?

    a.  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/heresy after election. 
    b.  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/heresy before election.
    c.  Siri thesis; invalid resignation
    d.  All of the above

    My opinion is D.  God has allowed this crisis for a variety of reasons but He’s not some monster who plays “gotcha” with us poor creatures.  God, in His infinite Mercy, wants us to find Truth.  There’s a variety of ways to arrive at the same conclusion.

    Just as there are a variety of ways to arrive at the conclusion that V2 and the new mass are wrong.  The splintered nature of Traditionalism (including the indult) proves this.  Blessed be God!

    Yeah, there are two high-level theories in terms of who these V2 popes are ....

    1) Just some run of the mill Modernists with messed-up and confused minds.
    2) Deliberate, conscious infiltrators and Masonic/Communist agents whose mission it is to destroy the Church.

    I believe that some otherwise sincere Modernist would be converted by God if legitimately elected to the papacy, similar to what happened to Pope Pius IX.

    Masons have been talking about how they intended to subvert the papacy for well over a hundred years, and then we have this part of the longer Pope Leo XIII Exorcism prayer after he had seen the vision of the dialog between Our Lord and Satan:
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    These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.

    Why is this in the past tense?  It's almost as if he's writing from where he's seeing this unfold in a vision.  In either case, Leo XIII reinforces the notion that there's deliberate plan, an "iniquitous design" to strike the Papacy in order to scatter the sheep.  In one version of the Leo XIII vision, God gave Satan 75 years of heightened control.  Roncalli was elected in 1958, so 75 years there would be 2033.  To me that fits with the timeline.

    June 13, 1929 -- Our Lady requests consecration of Russia
    June 13, 2029 -- ???
    2033 -- restoration of the Church

    It's similar to the Kings of France, and Our Lord likened this delay to that of the Kings of France, where exactly 100 years to the day after the requested that they consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the King of France was dethroned by the revolutionaries, and then 3.5 years later, he was executed.  Their failure to consecrate France led to the French Revolution, just as the failure of the 20th-century Popes to consecrate Russia led to the "French Revolution in the Church" (even Ratzinger made that comparison).  Just as the French had their liberte, egalite, fraternite, so we have Religious Liberty (liberte), Collegiality and Priesthood of the Faithful (egalite), and communion with our "separated brethren" ("fraternite").  V2 embodied the same principles as the Masonic French Revolution, the principles of Masonry.

    What was Russia's involvement in all this?  We had Bella Dodd state that she herself had personally placed dozens of men who were Commie infiltrators into US seminaries.  Worldwide, we're talking about an infiltration that led to dozens of Commie agent bishops and Cardinals.  Roncalli was bosom buddies with the Commies, and was like a Commie/Masonic agent.  Also, Our Lady spoke about the "errors of Russia", not just Russia.  Russia was founded by the Jews upon their Commie/Masonic/atheist platform, and it's these very errors that the Russians then used their political power and their intelligence apparatus (KGB, etc.) to infiltrate and subvert the Church.  Our Lady wasn't speaking just about Communism, but about the larger Masonic/Judaic system.

    It's certain that most of the Catholic Bishops in the Eastern Bloc were Commie agents.

    But this crisis was NOT, IMO, just the natural result of a deterioration of faith and the spread of Modernism.  I have moral certainly that this was a deliberate subversion by the enemies of the Church.

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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #55 on: September 25, 2023, 07:26:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 25, 2023, 07:09:06 AM
    It's certain that most of the Catholic Bishops in the Eastern Bloc were Commie agents.

    Take Wojtyla for instance.  While faithful bishops like Mindszenty, Wyszynski, and Slipij were persecuted, under arrest or house arrest, etc.,  Wojtyla was travelling the world giving lectures on phenomenology, and the general word on the street was that he was a "Pax" priest, a Commie collaborator.

    Just take a look at how Wojtyla became a bishop.  In Poland, the Commies had to approve of the Catholic bishops, and so the Church submitted a list, and the Commie official in charge kept vetoing every single one, and then eventually just bluntly stated that he would not accept anyone except Wojtyla.  Why?  It's also reported that Cardinal Wyszynski wept when he heard that Wojtyla had been elected pope, and these were not tears of joy due to having a Polish pope.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #56 on: September 25, 2023, 07:40:35 AM »
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    • https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pope/communism/
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    Oddly enough, the surviving Communist record on Wojtyla is one of the best measures we now have of his youthful activism. In 1958, early in Wojtyla's rise, the Communists backed his nomination as auxiliary Archbishop of Krakow. He was known for his intelligence, for being personable and open-minded, a priest who would compromise in the interest of building churches and seminaries. He was not considered radical. The Communists thought he would be manageable malleable, even a poet. For the same reason, Wojtyla was Primate Wyszynski's seventh choice for the job.

    Once in office, he proved to be innovative, but as far as anyone could tell, not threatening. Lucjan Motyka, who was a Communist leader in Krakow, told us about an extraordinary encounter he had with the young bishop. ... It was placed prominently in Wojtyla's file--proof that he was "their" man in the Catholic Church.

    I've posted this before but can't find it, but Wojtyla was Cardinal Wyszynski's "seventh choice" ONLY because after the first 4-5 were vetoed/rejected by Motyka, he just blunted stated to Wyszynski that he would "only accept Wojtyla".  That's about as close to the Commies making a direct appointment as you can get.  I've posted that incident here but can't find it at the moment.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #57 on: September 25, 2023, 07:47:03 AM »
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    • I had a more direct quote at some point, but this is close enough.

    https://catholicherald.co.uk/communism-and-the-wojtyla-factor/
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    Six years later, when it came time to appoint a new archbishop of Kraków, the protocols worked out in 1956 were applied. The Church chose its own nominee, but the Polish communists could veto it. And they did, vetoing seven consecutive candidates, making it known that they would continue vetoing until the Church proposed Wojtyła. That wasn’t the spirit of the agreement, but communists aren’t too bothered about keeping either to the spirit or the letter. Eventually, the Church put up Wojtyła, and the communists agreed. It was the greatest miscalculation in the history of communism.

    Miscalculation my foot.  This pretty much admits that this wasn't the "spirit of the agreement," as it effectively mean that they directly appointed Wojtyla.  Wojtyla wasn't even on Wyszynski's list in the beginning, but the Commies votoed several candidates until they pretty much said outright that they would only accept Wojtyla, and that's the only reason he was even the "7th".  Both Cardinal Wyszynski and the faithful in Poland knew that he was a collaborator.

    Miscalculation?  :laugh1:  Wojtyla was their agent the entire time and one of their greatest assets in their subversion of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #58 on: September 25, 2023, 08:26:05 AM »
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    June 13, 1929 -- Our Lady requests consecration of Russia
    June 13, 2029 -- ???
    2033 -- restoration of the Church

    It's similar to the Kings of France, and Our Lord likened this delay to that of the Kings of France, where exactly 100 years to the day after the requested that they consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the King of France was dethroned by the revolutionaries, and then 3.5 years later, he was executed. 
    Was there really 3.5 years between his dethronement and his execution?  Wow.  If so, this 3.5 years is notable.  


    Lines up with the prophecised anti-pope and schism, as the real pope has to flee rome.  It also lines up with Apocalypse ch 12, since the "Woman clothed with the Sun" was seen in the constellations in late 2015.  She is about to give birth to a man who will "rule all nations with an iron rod".  This is either a reference to the Great Monarch and/or the Angelic Pope.  Then the dragon appears and wants to devour the child/pope, so the Woman flees and goes into hiding for "a thousand two hundred sixty days" and later, Scripture again references "a time and times, and half a time".  All of these relate to the famous 3.5 years of the times of antichrist, but also, our times.

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    Re: Does B’nai B’rith have the right to veto a Papal election?
    « Reply #59 on: September 25, 2023, 08:50:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 25, 2023, 07:47:03 AM
    Miscalculation?  :laugh1:  Wojtyla was their agent the entire time and one of their greatest assets in their subversion of the Catholic Church.

    Present-day implications for a CCP Manchurian candidate in the next conclave. If not a mainlander, then perhaps Tagle could be Wojtyla 2.0. Superficially affable, and though not a professional thespian, he's got quite the song and dance thing going on. 
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