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Offline poche

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Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2019, 01:25:37 AM »
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  • Randomly wondering what heresies Pope Michael holds to.  I mean, his claim is obviously ridiculous.  But what heresy is he guilty of?  
    One error of 'Pope Michael' is the declaration that he is the Pope. 


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #16 on: April 18, 2019, 06:21:04 AM »
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  • One error of 'Pope Michael' is the declaration that he is the Pope.
    That's called circular reasoning Poche.


    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #17 on: April 18, 2019, 07:33:17 PM »
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  • Wow...just out of curiosity I looked up the Palmarians on their website and their “cathedral”/“vatican” is absolutely beautiful.  The vestments alone, in one of their “pontifical mass” videos must be worth tens of millions of dollars.  Where in the world did such a group build and accuмulate such wealth - just being “a cult”?   The building itself is absolutely amazing and, yes, beautiful.  

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #18 on: April 18, 2019, 07:37:15 PM »
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    Since 1983 the Palmarian Church has drastically reformed its rites and its liturgy, which previously had been styled in the Tridentine form. The Palmarian liturgy was reduced to almost solely the Eucharistic words of consecration. The See of El Palmar de Troya has also declared the Real Presence of the Virgin Mary in the sacred host and the bodily assumption into heaven of St. Joseph to be dogmas of the Catholic faith. By 2000, they had their own Palmarian version of the Bible, revised by Domínguez on claimed prophetic authority and a product of the Second Palmarian Council, also known as the Palmarian synod. For these reasons and their strict rules allowing no communication with people outside of the faith, other Catholics consider the Palmarian Church to be heretical and cult followers.

    It gets weirder

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #19 on: April 18, 2019, 07:43:35 PM »
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  • Is Michael's claim to be Pope *heretical* though?  I mean, I grant that its schismatic (at least materially, I won't judge his heart) but don't you have to actually deny a dogma to be heretical?

    I've seen certain people in certain places call Sedevacantism heresy and that's confusing as well.  Wouldn't the issue there be schism?


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #20 on: April 18, 2019, 07:55:55 PM »
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  • Wow...just out of curiosity I looked up the Palmarians on their website and their “cathedral”/“vatican” is absolutely beautiful.  The vestments alone, in one of their “pontifical mass” videos must be worth tens of millions of dollars.  Where in the world did such a group build and accuмulate such wealth - just being “a cult”?   The building itself is absolutely amazing and, yes, beautiful.  
    I was reading about it and one researcher said the cathedral is worth 100,000,000 Euros! 
    I think they had quite a large following in 70's/80's/90's. A cult like that can easily amass wealth by brainwashing their followers.
    You can read more about them here: https://magnuslundberg.net/category/palmarian-catholic-church/page/1/

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #21 on: April 18, 2019, 08:15:31 PM »
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  • It gets weirder
    It gets even weirder...
    Ladislaus mentioned this a couple days ago:
    "In the 1990s, Gregory XVII was accused of sɛҳuąƖ impropriety with several of his priests and nuns. In 1997 he admitted to it and begged forgiveness. He died on 22 March 2005.  His sect immediately canonized him, giving him the title “Pope Saint Gregory XVII, the Very Great.”

    The Palmarian Creed is an entire 27 pages long!
    "Therefore I believe most firmly that the Most Holy Virgin Mary is Co-priest of Christ the Eternal High Priest, and that this real and true Priesthood of Mary is inferior to the Supreme Priesthood of Jesus Christ, greatly superior to the Ministerial Priesthood and immensely superior to the Common Priesthood of the faithful."
    From Magnus Lundberg: "There are great differences between Roman Catholic and Palmarian sacramental theology. One original aspect of that Palmarian theology, as explained in the Catechism, is that the Virgin “enthrones” a drop of her blood into the faithful at baptism or conversion. This drop can be strengthened, diminished or disappear altogether according to the moral status of the individual, and its presence contribute to her sanctification. The sacraments also “enthrone” and strengthen a piece of Christ’s heart in the faithful (PKO 22, 27, 37).

    Baptism is the door to the church and the other sacraments. Children should preferably be baptized within eight days of their birth and not later than fifteen days. Through baptism, the child (or adult) receives Mary’s blood drop, which takes away original sin. The Palmarian baptism has an undeletable character, but the strength of the drop can be weakened. The sacrament of confirmation should ideally be administered very shortly after baptism. It strengthens the blood drop and makes the individual stronger in his or her fight against Satan. Only a bishop can confirm (PKO 38-39). If a person commits a cardinal sin, the blood drop of Mary disappears. Confession of mortal sins to a Palmarian priest is the way to re-enter into the state of grace, so that the drop is strengthened (PKO 40)"
     


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #22 on: April 18, 2019, 08:18:41 PM »
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  • That's pretty wacky!

    His Holiness Pope Peter III! What happened to Peter II?

    Gregory XVII died

    Peter II died

    Gregory XVIII resigned to get married (hey, at least he was straight ... unlike Gregory XVII, who admitted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity while "reigning as pope")

    and that brings us to Peter III


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #23 on: April 24, 2019, 06:41:07 AM »
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  • Finally!  A crazier cult than OLMC!  Let's buy Pablo a one way ticket to Spain!  He can exorcize their demons, and maybe even become pope!
    You must love OLMC so much that you cant stop writing about them. A fire broke out at Notre Dame last week, and if I were to take a guess, you would go on that forum and say that Pablo should be sent to Notre Dame to douse the fire.