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Does 1917 canon law abolish Papal Bull Pope Paul 4
« on: February 26, 2019, 08:33:52 AM »
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Now, since cuм Ex Apostolatus was only concerned with “the practical execution of previous penal laws, which by their nature are disciplinary,” as Cardinal Hergenrother explained, its penalties could be, and indeed were, abrogated when the 1917 Code of Canon law came into force. Canon 5.2 explains:
 
That which pertains to penalties, of which there is no mention made in this Code, be they spiritual or temporal, remedial or, as they call it, punitive, automatic or declared through a judgment, they are to be held as abrogated.
 
       None of the prescriptions contained incuм Ex Apostolatus Officio were included in the 1917 Code, and consequently they were all officially and authoritatively abrogated.
       The Sedevacantist bishop, Donald Sanborn, also acknowledges the papal Bull is no longer in force. Wrote Sanborn:
 
cuм ex apostolatus is an apostolic constitution, a law, made by Pope Paul IV, which says that if a pope should be a heretic, his elevation to this dignity would be null. It was made in order to ensure that no Protestant could ever become the Pope. It does not apply to the present case for two reasons. The first is that it is no longer the law. It was derogated (made obsolete) by the 1917 Code of Canon Law.”

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Re: Does 1917 canon law abolish Papal Bull Pope Paul 4
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 08:43:49 AM »
Yes, both St Pius X and Pius XII made exceptions for the ecclesiastical penalties (any and all penalties, including excommunication for heresy) whereby, the penalties are not in force ONLY for the conclave.  Once a pope is elected and the conclave is finished, all penalities go back in force.  Meaning, that a heretic could elect AND be elected as pope, but once the election is over, that pope is SPIRITUALLY impaired because of the SPIRITUAL penalities in force, even if they still hold the GOVT/material office.  This is what I believe we are living through. 


Re: Does 1917 canon law abolish Papal Bull Pope Paul 4
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2019, 11:40:14 AM »
Will look into that, what would you reply to the following 

In its provision on loss of ecclesiastical office without declaration (canon 188.4), the 1917 Code of Canon Law quotes this bull for its teaching on loss of office through heresy.  This demonstrates that the Code’s teaching on loss of office without a declaration through heresy (and a Catholic’s ability to recognize it) is in accord with this bull

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Re: Does 1917 canon law abolish Papal Bull Pope Paul 4
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2019, 12:13:22 PM »
A papal bull overrides canon law.  St Pius X and Pius XII's changes to Church penalties are part of the "binding and loosing" power of the papacy.  They would be in addition to canon law, but of a higher authority, so would overrule it.

Re: Does 1917 canon law abolish Papal Bull Pope Paul 4
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2019, 12:20:11 PM »
I’m a little confused , i thought you agreed that the canin law abolished the papal bull but now you are stating no?