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Re: Do you...
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2025, 02:02:43 PM »
Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

1) No. The SSPX priests hunt down and "excommunicate" people who say these things that "disturb the consciences" of the faithful. Plus, I don't think it would serve any good.

I once made some comments about it with two men who I knew that were not simpletons and were very capable of understanding what I was saying and then do their own research. They chose to "trust their superiors" and hide their heads in the sand. Thank God they did not denounce me to the priest.

2 and 3) No. I am not good with these things, and if people are really interested in learning about the faith, they will learn about this inevitably.

Re: Do you...
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2025, 08:24:48 PM »
Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

I don't really do so. Only 1 person at my chapel knows my position on the new rites. I didn't want to come off as autistic and presumption and scare them off if i don't know them well. Is this prudence or cowardice?

It's not like they are automatically going to believe what i tell them, especially against their 'authority' figures.
I've told quite a few people who attend the NO and diocesan tridentine "masses" what I think about the new "mass" and the new rites of "holy orders". None of them really got upset at me. The only one who took it badly at first was a friend of mine, but now he's probably the one most convinced, if not the only one, and we've remained great friends. That might seem odd but "one plants, another waters but God gives the increase."

I've also told several SSPX priests, one of which in a very high position. They haven't denied me the sacraments. They haven't even tried to convince me of the contrary. One of them advised me that I don't scandalize the newcomers to the mission. I wasn't planning to do it anyway. It's not that I'm going to distribute brochures outside the chapel à la Jehovah's Witnesses.

The most important thing is to have the right intention when discussing these things. Do it for the love of truth and for the salvation of others. "Instructing the ignorant" is a spiritual work of mercy that we must all practice. There is a discrete way of going about this. Focus on principles, rather than on people. You tell them what you know about the new rites and let them draw the conclusions about Novus Ordo "Fr." X. In strong reactions towards these things there's always a personal component. "How come Fr. X who gave me my first communion in the NO is a layman?"

Show them studies and give them time to process them. Be patient. If they are stubbornly attached to their error and start attacking you, you just shut up and shake the dust off your feet.

You might want to avoid using the words "sacrilegious abomination" but tell them the whole truth in a way that they may conclude by themselves that the new "mass" is a sacrilegious abomination.

I believe we should talk more openly about these things, especially with priests and those in charge. It does not help anybody to just sit in the pew holding grudges because there's probably a layman holding a piece of bread in the altar. If it's God's will that they treat you like an "uncharitable sedevacantist" or leave you without the sacraments, so be it. The truth is more important than you taking communion today.

Do your part and tell the truth. Let God's will be done. If people are receptive to the truth, you saved them. If they aren't, God will use it to judge them, while you'll be rewarded.


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Re: Do you...
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2025, 09:15:52 PM »
1) No. The SSPX priests hunt down and "excommunicate" people who say these things that "disturb the consciences" of the faithful. Plus, I don't think it would serve any good.


I did not know this, only that certain sede groups will kick you out/bar you from sacraments if you hold certain positions/beliefs.

Re: Do you...
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2025, 09:36:34 PM »
I did not know this, only that certain sede groups will kick you out/bar you from sacraments if you hold certain positions/beliefs.

I have not actually seen this happen, but we had a  warning in the montly bulletin plus a sermon about it last year. It made me lose respect for the whole gang actually.

Re: Do you...
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2025, 07:11:49 PM »
Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?
No, I don't throw my pearls before swine.

Nobody told me anything about these issues. I had to find out the truth about them all on my own. If other people care enough about their faith, then they will do just what I did.

If any Trad came to me years ago when I was in the Novus Ordo and told me everything that I know now, not only would I not have believed them but I also would have thought they were "weird conspiracy nuts."

People have to find out things like that on their own. And if they don't seek out the truth, then just let them wallow in their spiritually dead Novus Ordo religion.