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Offline AnthonyPadua

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« on: July 19, 2025, 12:59:29 AM »
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  • Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

    That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

    If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

    I don't really do so. Only 1 person at my chapel knows my position on the new rites. I didn't want to come off as autistic and presumption and scare them off if i don't know them well. Is this prudence or cowardice?

    It's not like they are automatically going to believe what i tell them, especially against their 'authority' figures.

    Offline Fiorenza

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #1 on: July 19, 2025, 02:29:17 AM »
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  • It is always wise to be prudent. We might be going to the catacombs soon so obviously it's wise to be discerning especially with the heretics in our midsts. But I believe a cautious life-line can be offered if you believe it is going to be effective.

    It's good to genuinely know and believe your position. So, there could be a list of reasons for a newbie

    1) The NO isn't as reverent
    2) The Latin Mass reflects the faith of our fathers
    3) The NO came out of V2. Here are some issues with the V2 Church
    4) Now, given the above ... would you continue to go to the NO? and if so why?

    Then you might spot a modernist - e.g. I actually uncritically believe in what V2 popes say here, and the previous statements of the popes 🚨🚨🚨

    Then, ... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. Matthew 10:14

    The enemy would like us to be impotently sitting on the internet and refusing to the discuss the issues in public. But, why did ++ Lefebvre publish works like They Have Uncrowned Him and An Open Letter to Confused Catholics?

    Traditional Catholicism that is neutered and tame is like a re-enactment society. We must have a goal and support growth away from the heresies.. and growth towards the tradition.

    Our goal is to grow, not be a society of effete tea drinkers... or a good joke for the modernists ... we have to be more effective than that...



    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #2 on: July 19, 2025, 02:51:02 AM »
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  • It is always wise to be prudent. We might be going to the catacombs soon so obviously it's wise to be discerning especially with the heretics in our midsts. But I believe a cautious life-line can be offered if you believe it is going to be effective.

    It's good to genuinely know and believe your position. So, there could be a list of reasons for a newbie

    1) The NO isn't as reverent
    2) The Latin Mass reflects the faith of our fathers
    3) The NO came out of V2. Here are some issues with the V2 Church
    4) Now, given the above ... would you continue to go to the NO? and if so why?

    Then you might spot a modernist - e.g. I actually uncritically believe in what V2 popes say here, and the previous statements of the popes 🚨🚨🚨

    Then, ... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. Matthew 10:14

    The enemy would like us to be impotently sitting on the internet and refusing to the discuss the issues in public. But, why did ++ Lefebvre publish works like They Have Uncrowned Him and An Open Letter to Confused Catholics?

    Traditional Catholicism that is neutered and tame is like a re-enactment society. We must have a goal and support growth away from the heresies.. and growth towards the tradition.

    Our goal is to grow, not be a society of effete tea drinkers... or a good joke for the modernists ... we have to be more effective than that...


    I've met a few people that go between the indult and sspx, not sure if they are just ignorant or don't believe there is an issue with the new rites.

    Offline Fiorenza

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #3 on: July 19, 2025, 02:55:15 AM »
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  • I've met a few people that go between the indult and sspx, not sure if they are just ignorant or don't believe there is an issue with the new rites.
    The former introductory pamphlet by the SSPX said we ought not to go to indult masses... or the FSSP ...

    I'm not sure about the most recent pamphlet.

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2025, 03:02:49 AM »
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  • Although the Latin Mass is the greatest prayer as ++ Lefebvre said it must be more than this ... what about the dogmas and the heresies?

    And then look at Latin Masses with altar girls as has happened.

    Just the Latin Mass is not enough. Then someone is a Protestant who goes to the Extraordinary Form. What is going to save you? What you believe ... 

    Bugnini did experiments with the Latin Mass as well...

    It is not enough.


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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2025, 04:03:09 AM »
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  • The former introductory pamphlet by the SSPX said we ought not to go to indult masses... or the FSSP ...

    I'm not sure about the most recent pamphlet.
    I never received any such pamphlets... I will look next time im at the Church to see if there is anything near the entry.

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #6 on: July 19, 2025, 05:23:17 AM »
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  • I never received any such pamphlets... I will look next time im at the Church to see if there is anything near the entry.
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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2025, 06:25:40 AM »
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  • Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

    That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

    If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

    I don't really do so. Only 1 person at my chapel knows my position on the new rites. I didn't want to come off as autistic and presumption and scare them off if i don't know them well. Is this prudence or cowardice?

    It's not like they are automatically going to believe what i tell them, especially against their 'authority' figures.
    When I first became a traditional Catholic I was a bit "over-zealous" and tried to tell everyone about tradition...but it more often did more harm than good...

    As Fiorenza said...Prudence is important.

    Usually I don't offer information unless people ask (they usually will inquire if interested).
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 02:22:03 AM »
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  • When I first became a traditional Catholic I was a bit "over-zealous" and tried to tell everyone about tradition...but it more often did more harm than good...

    As Fiorenza said...Prudence is important.

    Usually I don't offer information unless people ask (they usually will inquire if interested).
    Women should keep their soup coolers shut, anyway. At least you're finally learning...

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 05:42:47 AM »
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  • The caxap post above was just rude and unnecessary.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Giovanni Berto

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 02:02:43 PM »
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  • Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

    That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

    If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

    1) No. The SSPX priests hunt down and "excommunicate" people who say these things that "disturb the consciences" of the faithful. Plus, I don't think it would serve any good.

    I once made some comments about it with two men who I knew that were not simpletons and were very capable of understanding what I was saying and then do their own research. They chose to "trust their superiors" and hide their heads in the sand. Thank God they did not denounce me to the priest.

    2 and 3) No. I am not good with these things, and if people are really interested in learning about the faith, they will learn about this inevitably.


    Offline VivaJesus

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 08:24:48 PM »
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  • Tell Catholics/ "trads" you just meet your position on the new rite being doubtful/invalid?

    That the NO 'mass' is a sacraligious abomination?

    If you see someone with a divine mercy image do you go out of your way to tell them it's a false satanic deception?

    I don't really do so. Only 1 person at my chapel knows my position on the new rites. I didn't want to come off as autistic and presumption and scare them off if i don't know them well. Is this prudence or cowardice?

    It's not like they are automatically going to believe what i tell them, especially against their 'authority' figures.
    I've told quite a few people who attend the NO and diocesan tridentine "masses" what I think about the new "mass" and the new rites of "holy orders". None of them really got upset at me. The only one who took it badly at first was a friend of mine, but now he's probably the one most convinced, if not the only one, and we've remained great friends. That might seem odd but "one plants, another waters but God gives the increase."

    I've also told several SSPX priests, one of which in a very high position. They haven't denied me the sacraments. They haven't even tried to convince me of the contrary. One of them advised me that I don't scandalize the newcomers to the mission. I wasn't planning to do it anyway. It's not that I'm going to distribute brochures outside the chapel à la Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The most important thing is to have the right intention when discussing these things. Do it for the love of truth and for the salvation of others. "Instructing the ignorant" is a spiritual work of mercy that we must all practice. There is a discrete way of going about this. Focus on principles, rather than on people. You tell them what you know about the new rites and let them draw the conclusions about Novus Ordo "Fr." X. In strong reactions towards these things there's always a personal component. "How come Fr. X who gave me my first communion in the NO is a layman?"

    Show them studies and give them time to process them. Be patient. If they are stubbornly attached to their error and start attacking you, you just shut up and shake the dust off your feet.

    You might want to avoid using the words "sacrilegious abomination" but tell them the whole truth in a way that they may conclude by themselves that the new "mass" is a sacrilegious abomination.

    I believe we should talk more openly about these things, especially with priests and those in charge. It does not help anybody to just sit in the pew holding grudges because there's probably a layman holding a piece of bread in the altar. If it's God's will that they treat you like an "uncharitable sedevacantist" or leave you without the sacraments, so be it. The truth is more important than you taking communion today.

    Do your part and tell the truth. Let God's will be done. If people are receptive to the truth, you saved them. If they aren't, God will use it to judge them, while you'll be rewarded.
    Our Lady keep you under her mantle.

    "Blessed is the simplicity which leaveth alone the difficult paths of questionings, and followeth the plain and firm steps of God’s commandments." - The Imitation of Christ

    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Do you...
    « Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:15:52 PM »
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  • 1) No. The SSPX priests hunt down and "excommunicate" people who say these things that "disturb the consciences" of the faithful. Plus, I don't think it would serve any good.


    I did not know this, only that certain sede groups will kick you out/bar you from sacraments if you hold certain positions/beliefs.

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  • I did not know this, only that certain sede groups will kick you out/bar you from sacraments if you hold certain positions/beliefs.

    I have not actually seen this happen, but we had a  warning in the montly bulletin plus a sermon about it last year. It made me lose respect for the whole gang actually.