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Do You See Satans Plan Now?
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  • This is an article on the Church but EENS was worked into it so I'm not sure if it should go here or in the BOB/D section.  Please forgive me if this is in the wrong section:

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/13Apr/1eastftt.htm

    Once upon a time there was a Catholic Church that everyone could see. This was a story that was written before the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. The story has a happy ending but not before the horror movie plays out. But here we speak not of the bloody murder of thirteen bodies as happened in "Friday the 13th", but rather the Hellish murder of MILLIONS of souls with eternal gore that far exceeds the imagination.

        Rather than going into great detail to back up the veracity of my statements I will provide links that will show the proof of my claims. I want the article itself to be readable as opposed to being bogged down with details that make you forget the point being made in the first place.

        So where did this Catholic Church go and how can we get it back? Most people reading this are a part of that Catholic Church. God knows who you are, though people love to speculate, putting any number of souls in Hell already, such as the souls who believe the infallible teaching of the ordinary magisterium on baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Hopefully these types, such as the two who danced on the tomb of Father Martin Stepanich, OFM assuring us of his damnation before his body got cold, are in the minority of those who insist that Baptism of desire and Baptism of blood does not form a part of the infallible explanation on "No Salvation Outside the Church".

        Now please note that the Catholic Encyclopedia presents the [traditional] true teaching on this topic. However, the editor of the New Advent website that provides this tome of information from the early twentieth century, adds two notes from the conciliar anti-Catholic Church, which are highlighted in yellow, and are heresies on the subject, taught in the Code of Canon Law (1983), and the Catechism of the Catholic [sic] Church (1992). Both are the official teaching of the anti-Catholic Church that states unbaptized babies who did not die for the faith, or for [in the place of] Christ as the Holy Innocents did, can be saved and probably are. His need to "clarify" with the bogus teaching of anti-pope John Paul II shows that he sees that what new Church teaches on the issue conflicts with what the true Church teaches.

        In 1958 the Masons finally got their man "elected", a man who decided to go by the name of the last anti-pope, John XXIII, would ultimately lead the Catholic Church into going back to the catacombs, while the formerly Catholic structures would be filled with non-Catholic leaders who would do everything possible to lead their flocks to Hell. The "election" of the man suspected of MODERNISM is exactly what His Holiness Pope Saint Pius X warned against and called – "the synthesis of ALL heresies." Well, that mother of all heresies has led us to where we find ourselves today:

    39. It may, perhaps, seem to some, Venerable Brethren, that We have dealt at too great length on this exposition of the doctrines of the Modernists. But it was necessary that We should do so, both in order to meet their customary charge that We do not understand their ideas, and to show that their system does not consist in scattered and unconnected theories, but, as it were, in a closely connected whole, so that it is not possible to admit one without admitting all. For this reason, too, We have had to give to this exposition a somewhat didactic form, and not to shrink from employing certain unwonted terms which the Modernists have brought into use. And now with Our eyes fixed upon the whole system, no one will be surprised that We should define it to be the synthesis of all heresies. Undoubtedly, were anyone to attempt the task of collecting together all the errors that have been broached against the faith and to concentrate into one the sap and substance of them all, he could not succeed in doing so better than the Modernists have done. Nay, they have gone farther than this, for, as We have already intimated, their system means the destruction not of the Catholic religion alone, but of all religion. Hence the rationalists are not wanting in their applause, and the most frank and sincere among them congratulate themselves on having found in the Modernists the most valuable of all allies. Pascendi Dominici Gregis
    There are also several confirmations of this modernism conveyed through Masonic symbolism borne out by these anti-popes and, interestingly enough, they can be found on non-sedevacantist sites. You would think they would connect the dots, wouldn't you?
    ◾John XXIII's Masonic Pectoral Cross
    ◾A Pope According to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
    ◾Why not choose an antipope John XXIII?
    ◾The "Reconciliation" of the Two Benedicts

        But all is not well for the Catholics in the Catacombs. The Catholics in the Catacombs remind me of people who rather than do all they can to help one another in a difficult position, spend the precious time given them by God to merit by stabbing one another in the back, in underhanded and cowardly fashion (redundant, I know), by insisting on our own cacophony of opinion, passed off as theology which binds on the consciences of all others, with eternal damnation the sure result of disagreement.

        We are not a warm and cuddly bunch. In fact, we as individuals, can be meaner than ten body-pierced, tattooed, ghetto heathens combined. Why on God's green, chem-trail laden, sodomy praising, baby killing earth is this so? It would be good to get to a root cause of the problem in order to better supply a solution, but one can make a safe bet that pride has something to do with it. Yes, despite what we say, many of us, including me, tend to think we are better than we really are, in the eyes of God, and that others are worse than they really are, in the eyes of God. This means, quite frankly that we, despite what we may claim, think we are better than everyone else.

        It is interesting to note how the "Church of the John's and Paul's" ("Pope" John 23, "Pope" Paul 6, "Pope" John Paul 1, "Pope" John Paul 2, and their successors) tolerate and admire all false religions but can't tolerate true Catholics. But the phenomenon is not only with them. In the underground Catholic Church, in large part due to the fact that we have not had any visible guidance from a true Pope for 55 years, we do not tolerate ourselves either. I noticed on traditional forums how the feeneyites are tolerated, and the Novus Ordoites are tolerated, and those who recognize a public heretic as Pope, but do not submit to him, are treated as the greatest thing since sliced bread, or a Catholic Pope, but when it comes to Catholics [sedevacantists] who point out that it is Catholic Dogma that in order to be saved all Christians must submit to the Pope, we are as despised by fellow Catholics as much as we are despised by the Vatican 2 (V2) anti-Church. Submission to the Pope? That is taking it too far. How dare we point out their inconsistency with the hope that they might see the light and unite with us so we can fight the evil together instead of fighting each other?

        Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Unam Sanctam Pope Boniface VIII)

    The Question is WHY?

        Why is it that mainstream traditionalists on forums tolerate the feeneyites and the novus ordoites but not those who present an undeniable fact that points out the inconsistency of accepting the V2 leaders as authentic Popes, but not submitting to them, as all Catholics must submit to all bound on the Church by valid Popes? I believe the answer is in the question. Those who remind them that if they insist that the V2 "popes" are valid (this is different than admitting you are not sure if they are legit or not), that they must be subject to them, pin them in a corner that they can't get out of (if they insist on holding fast to their error). To admit that all true Christians must submit to the one Christ put above us means they must submit to a "Pope" who binds things on the Church that forces people to be non-Catholic i.e. binds on earth what cannot possibly be bound in Heaven, unless God is no longer God.

        Now if that is not bad enough, the other alternative is to admit that the Vatican leader is not a valid Pope. Horror of horrors, the public heretic, who "binds" non-bindable things on "us", is not a valid Pope!?! What will they come up with next? The Devil isn't God? The idea that we have not had a valid Pope for around 50 years must include emotional barriers, because intellectually, the idea that one must be Catholic, in order to be the head of the Catholic Church, makes perfect sense, (oh yeah, and it is backed up by the teaching of the Church and Divine Law). These are the top two things on their list (submitting to the modernist, or admitting the modernist is not a Pope) that they are not willing to do. So the problem, please allow me to be facetious, is not with those who accept a public heretic, who "binds" on earth what can't be bound in Heaven, as Pope, but rather with those who point out their inconsistency. It is much easier to kill the messenger than to get out of your comfort zone.

        They tolerate the feeneyites and the novus ordoites because they know they are wrong, and those in obvious error do not make them feel bad about not holding their position or submitting to the V2 "popes" because they know their positions are incorrect. But when someone states a general fact that you do not want to agree with, which is taken as accusing YOU of something you know you are guilty of, but don't want to change, the tendency of prideful individuals is to lash out and cast aspersions on the messengers of truth.

        All this being stated, it must be understood that there are people who do not have computers or access to truth, and they really are not culpable for not knowing that all true Christians must be subject to the Pope in order to be saved. But it is not the ignorant that I am talking about, but those who are aware of the dogma, but refuse to act in accordance with it. They seemingly ignore it or wish it away. The only reason why they are not subject to one who binds and maintains a heretical council, invalid and doubtful sacraments, heretical canon law, and preaches and engages in countless heretical words and actions, not to mention severe violation of the Ten Commandments, beginning with the First, is because valid popes have not been doing these things, but rather usurpers.

        Why not accept that fact? This is just one instance where the right thing to do is also the easier one. Why put your conscience in a position to where you can be damned for not submitting to one you insist is a valid Pope when you can logically conclude that it is not a valid Pope you are not submitting to?

        A second problem in the catacombs is the confusion over the Dogma of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - "No Salvation Outside the Church". I don't doubt that many people who hold this position are of good will. Some don't appear to be but I believe most are. They really get convinced that anyone who is not baptized with water goes to Hell. This is the case even in the face of an onslaught of authoritative evidence to the contrary such as The Case of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Is Baptism of Desire and Blood a Catholic Teaching? by the late Dr. Rama P. Coomaraswamy, both links at Griff Ruby's site the-pope.com. We live in a time when the Devil has been given more power than he ever had, and he knows our weaknesses and how to magnify them. He just has to get us to swallow a small error and our pride will take care of the rest.

        Perhaps some insist that God secretly poured water on the Blessed Virgin Mary's head, before she was conceived; somehow, as His willing or desiring her to be conceived without Original Sin is not enough, God must look to the feeneyites to make sure He does it the right way.

        Some might object claiming that one merely desiring to become confirmed or to be a Priest does not become confirmed or ordained even if he was killed before actually having the sacrament performed on him, no matter how good-willed, in-culpably ignorant, and sincere one is.

        This objection is obviously raised by one who is in-culpably ignorant himself as they do not understand that what we call "baptism of desire" in English is phrased "baptismus flaminis" in Latin. Do you see the word "flaminis"? The word does not mean "desire". You can see where the English word "flame" would come from that. "Baptismus flaminis" is a phrase which means "baptism of fire/wind/spirit". It is the baptism of the Holy Ghost as the words "fire" and "wind" are words used to describe Him. To clarify, our English phrase "baptism of desire" does not mean merely an implicit or explicit "wish" to be Baptized. It is a firm determination to do all God requires of salvation, to receive Baptism as soon as possible; it includes the virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity. In other words:

        We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgement but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (Denziger, n. 1792).

        Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

        However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church. [Note: This statement is addressed to the Feeneyites, the Recognize and Resisters (R & R's), the Sedevacantists, and all who wish to be in union with the One, True, Church in our understanding of her teachings.]

        Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (v.g. St. Matthew 28:19-20). Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place, by which we are commanded to be incorporated by Baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar [there is that unpleasant teaching to the "R & R's" again as being united to him does not mean giving him lip service but adhering to all he binds on earth], through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.

        Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth. [Did you catch that? It is not just the sedevacantists that teach this.]

        Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation, without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.

        In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circuмstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the Sacrament of Regeneration and in reference to the Sacraments of Penance (Denziger, nn. 797, 807).

        The same in its own degree must be asserted of the Church, in as far as she is the general help to salvation. Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

        However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance, God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

        These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, "On the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ." (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.) For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire. Discussing the members of which the Mystical Body is composed here on earth, the same August Pontiff says:
     "Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed."
        Toward the end of this same Encyclical Letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition " in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" [this isn't universal salvationism my friends] since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, loc. cit., 342)

        With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire, and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion (cf. Pope Pius IX, Allocution "Singulari quadam," in Denziger, nn. 1641, ff. - also Pope Pius IX in the Encyclical Letter "Quanto conficiamur moerore" in Denzinger, n. 1677).

        But it must not be thought that any kind of desire of entering the Church suffices that one may be saved. It is necessary that the desire by which one is related to the Church be animated by perfect charity. Nor can an implicit desire produce its effect, unless a person has supernatural faith: "For he who comes to God must believe that God exists and is a rewarder of those who seek Him" (Hebrews, 11:6). The Council of Trent declares (Session VI, chap. 8): "Faith is the beginning of man's salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and attain to fellowship of His children" (Denz., n. 801) (The Holy Office Letter regarding the "No Salvation Outside the Church" Dogma) [Emphasis mine throughout]

        That is correct, one cannot be confirmed or ordained by merely wishing for it, but I hope I have shown, that is besides the point, it is not necessary to be confirmed or ordained in order for salvation to be made possible, but to be cleansed of Original Sin. Human creatures are sensible beings and so God, by "divine institution" rather than "intrinsic necessity" has made the sacraments sensible as Father Joseph Clifford Fenton affirmed from The Holy Office Letter on the Necessity of the Catholic Church.

        But God is not trapped by His divine institution to the point where there are absolutely no exceptions to the ordinary means of being cleansed from Original Sin. This holds true for being forgiven of mortal sins by the way. We cannot be sure one commits a mortal sin, says an act of contrition, heads out the door to go to Confession and gets killed on the way is damned. The same is true regarding those people who throughout history had no access to Confession. But at some point, we realize that all the proof, examples and authoritative infallible teachings of the Church will not convince some, so then we shut-up and pray. There are many feeneyites that I have tried to discuss the issue with that leave the impression that were a valid Pope, such as one like Pius V to make an Ex Cathedra statement on the issue that they would just say that proves he is not a valid Pope. This is not exaggeration for effect. Some of them really would respond this way. Do not let the Feeneyites that are trapped in their own pride (nor those who are of good will) disturb your peace. God will judge their hearts which is a good things for those who are sincere. They will know well enough who is inside or outside the Church when they are judged and some might be unpleasantly surprised. For the rest, please listen to the authoritative masters provided in the links I have shared. Yes, false ecuмenism and Universal Salvation are terrible errors that lead many to Hell, but there is no need to embrace an equal and opposite error to combat it.

        Despite all this, please let me be clear. The Feeneyites are right. That's correct. The Feeneyites are right. There IS no salvation outside the Church. If anyone denies that they are not a Catholic. The problem here is not the refusal to accept the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church but the interpretation thereof.

        Once we swallow the error, good-willed and in all sincerity, we do what comes natural, we want to share the "truth" we discovered that no one else seems to know about. This was the case with me when I learned authentic truths about the evils of contraception and abortion. In my naivety I thought, if only I can get everyone else to realize this, the family and society could be restored. But when people first face resistance to what they believe to be true - whether it is actually true or not - their pride kicks in. Now it is no longer about helping people come to a better understanding of things, but proving to all that I'm right. And besides, how dare they disagree with me anyway! Yes, pride takes a good intention and smashes it to smithereens.

        The duty here goes from understanding the problem to rectifying it. This will be done when all those of good will unite, understanding full well that a valid Pope can not give us a scorpion when we ask for a fish. Once we get to the root cause of the problem, understanding that Divine Law prevents a public heretic from holding ecclesiastical office, and more importantly, from binding things on earth that can never be bound in Heaven, we can get to more important things, like getting a true Pope. Perhaps there are not enough of us in the true Catholic Church that are of good will. Perhaps Satan has found the weakness(es) of far too many of us to unite and re-convert the world as a mere twelve were able to do. If this be the case, and even if it is not, we must improve our spiritual life with deeper more frequent prayer, while frequenting the Sacraments (if possible) from valid clergy who hold fast to the truth without any hint of compromise.

        Yes, often times this means many of us will have to stay at home. But that means we will have more time to pray and read. This being the case let us study the faith as found in authoritative teachings rather than on forums and blogs where lay-haters bash each others brains in, and plots are hatched by clergy and laity alike to bring people's reputations crashing to the ground; this often being done for vengeance and pride rather than out of a misguided zeal to set the record straight and to protect the unwary. Post truth if you believe it will help the missionary field of Blogsville Land, but avoid getting personal in regards to public berating others, no matter the legitimacy you believe you have for doing so. Invite those who err to speak with you privately if they appear to be of good will but don’t challenge their pride by taking them to task in the blogosphere.

        If you have to "set someone straight" keep the following in mind:
     But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and reprove him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican (St. Matthew 18: 15-17)
        This was spoken to the Apostles and not laymen. No need to keep trying to correct those who err over and over again. Take our Lord's advice. If it was good enough for the Apostles, who had the authority to teach, it should be good enough for us, who are more prone to err.
     A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: (Titus 3:10)
        Then leave it in God's hands and pray for that person every day, otherwise you risk hardening their stance in error and you could be held accountable on the Day of Judgment.

        Of course other more general problems crop up as well when there has been no valid Pope for 55 years as the following proves: There are many anti-sedevacantist priests who consider themselves "traditional" and who could best be considered, along with their flocks who know better, as neo-trads from the resist-yet-recognize group. These priests offer Mass "una cuм" i.e. "one with/together with/in union with" the antipopes (yes, plural since we have twin antipopes living today in Francis and Benedict XVI) as if they were true popes) when they say in the Te igitur the una cuм, whereas the proper place to pray for these heathens is in the Commemoration of the Living - the Memento, Domine in praying for their eventual repentance and conversion for they have NO AUTHORITY whatsoever as Pope Paul IV infallibly decreed in cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio.

        Then we have the FSSP and other groups who have been merely installed in the new man-made rite instituted by Paul VI in his deliberate effort to eventually eliminate the True Presence from every altar. He, with help from his friend the devil and anti-pope Paul's successors, have done a pretty thorough job of this in duping practically the entire flock. What these anti-popes did not count on as they continue to court the SSPX (which has suspect non-priests they've brought in to help with the exodus or should I say exile of well over 30 priests and Bishop Richard Williamson) is how staunchly the sedevacantists would dig in to oppose and resist these charlatans posing as popes who have no intention of following in Peter's footsteps with the Petrine Ministry or being true as Christ's Vicar on earth. Rather than vicar they have turned to vice. See NovusOrdoWatch.org and DailyCatholic.org and Christorchaos.com for all the evidence you need.

        The facts are that if a man has not been ordained in the divinely-ordained rite of Holy Orders as it was at the time of the death of Pope Pius XII, (see Sacramentum Ordinis and Quo Primum and Defectibus) and if that man were merely installed as a presbyter, he would NOT be consecrated and therefore has NO POWER to confect the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist and therefore there is NO TRANSUBSTANTIATION ON THE NOVUS ORDO TABLES which results in mere bread and wine at 'communion' time. Shocking? It's true. Want another truth? These presbyters have no more power to forgive sins than you and I do. Now do you see Satan's plan?

        Keep in mind that this new man-made rite was instituted in 1968 following the reforms of Vatican 2 and Annibale Bugnini's radical ideas which went into universal effect in early 1969. That means every man so installed, which today is the vast, vast majority of so-called 'priests' for few there are who are over 70 years-old compared with the legions of young presbyters who, acting as 'priests', may not even know they are not true priests. Sadly, there are only a few Father Michael Oswalds around who are humble enough to see this truth and do something about it. Pray that more will follow the courageous path he took through the grace of God. The rest installed in the new rite would rather live the lie as Saint Paul warned they would in 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-11 when the Apostle of the Gentiles foretold this time when the withholder would be revealed. Through grace we can see who they are.

        I had mentioned 1969. It just so happens that a certain Jorge Mario Bergoglio was installed in the new rite in that year in Buenos Aires, Argentina. You may have heard of him lately. He's the new and latest anti-pope who goes by the name of Francis, and, since Satan so likes to ape God, Bergoglio chose a name that would deceive so many - the beloved Saint Francis of Assisi. The only thing the holy founder of the Order of Friars Minor and the current anti-pope have in common is that both were not priests. Ready for more Assisi fiasco's? You better be. I'm not sure if Saint Francis tries to hold back the hand of God from avenging him, in the hopes that they will convert, when these atrocities take place in his name, or if he begs God to avenge him, thereby defending God's most Holy Name from being blasphemed, yet again, in the grandest of fashions.

        Now do you see Satan's plan? He has carved out his crusade to condemn souls by replacing a true Pope (Pius XII) with an apostate Cardinal (J23), then just an Archbishop (P6), hand-picking two John Pauls who were just Bishops (1 & 2), then merely a priest in B16 to finally choosing a man who is a layman: Mr. Bergoglio.

        Now do you see Satan's plan?

        I'd like to conclude this with something else that bugs me about the neo-trads who put on a great show, such as pleading with an agent of Satan, an anti-Pope, to "consecrate" Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. How about getting a real Pope first? One step at a time, guys. Perhaps this explains why the so-called "Fatima 'Priest'" 'Father' Gruner was not outwardly affected by Father Martin Stepanich's Letter That is because ignoring the root cause of our current situation - no Pope - especially for the sake of convenience, leads to all sorts of silly, sad and unfortunate results. The following masterful, entertaining, scholarly, yet readable, article leaves no room for those of sound mind to doubt the root cause of our current state of affairs: The Chair is Still Empty

        Any and all of goodwill must read that article. But be careful, for you will no longer have an excuse for accepting the V2 leaders as valid Catholic Popes after having read it. But that is great news because you will no longer be faced with the conundrum of not submitting to a true Pontiff under pain of eternal damnation. For some, the idea that a public heretic cannot be a valid Pope places a huge emotional barrier before them. How could I have been duped for so long? Don't sedevacantists put their souls at risk for rejecting the "Pope"? News flash, all who do not accept what a Pope binds on the Church reject the "Pope", as actions speak louder words. Or, to put it another way: Not everyone that saith, Pope, Pope, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven: but he that submits to what a valid Pope binds on the Church, he shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

        But the emotional barrier can be more than being fooled for so long, or for fear that not accepting the public heretic as Pope puts one's soul in peril, but rather the idea of not being able to attend Mass at recognize and resist churches that preach, in action and word, the novel idea that it is okay to disobey and ignore valid Popes. I wonder if any of these priests or 'priests' ever try to enforce modesty in their churches. Tie and jacket for men. Skirts or dresses to the ankle, long sleeve blouses that cover everything but the neck and is not form-fitting for women (every day and not just at church unless you are a blue collar worker. I plan to mow the lawn in tie and jacket from now on. I will use the same tie, jacket and pants, my least favorite, each time. I was inspired, in part, by the actor who played the father of Therese in the semi-recent movie to do this). If any clergyman does try to enforce the Catholic way of dressing in Church and out, they probably wonder why their rules are not complied with. The people are just following their leader, not only his words, but his actions; if he can disobey a Pope then they can disobey a mere priest or presbyter who thinks he's a priest.

        In conclusion, allow me to offer a few sources to help solidify what I have said here: A good read to help one know an error when one smells one is Liberalism is a Sin It is a great blessing to have this book available to be read in entirety online, approved by the Sacred Congregation of the Index of the true Church in 1887 with the following words as can be seen on the above link:
    ". . .not only is nothing found contrary to sound doctrine, but its author, D. Felix Sarda merits great praise for his exposition and defense of the sound doctrine therein set forth with solidity, order and lucidity, and without personal offense to anyone." I would also highly recommend The Golden Key to Heaven by Saint Anthony Mary Claret as a great opportunity to improve your spiritual life.
        I will limit this article to two more must read recommendations on how to be holy, which is The Three Ages of the Interior Life by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P. and, if you really want to intensify your spiritual life and to gird yourselves in the armor of God "against the principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickeddness in the high places"(v.g. Ephesians 6: 11-12) pray the traditional Divine Office in either Latin or English.

        I only hope those who have taken the time to read this article will benefit from the links I share. They teach us what holiness is, and how to obtain the holiness you learn about. The more traditionalists who actually become holy, and therefore no longer dismiss "inconvenient" facts, the better off we will all be, in the short term, and the eternal. I also want to note that I began this article before the new guy Mr. Borgoglio was "elected" and then completed after all the hoopla with one question for you to please consider:

        Do you see Satan's plan now? What part will you play to defeat him?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 09:18:07 AM »
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  • What a horrific mish-mash of nonsense, filled with straw men, bad arguments, ad hominems, and emotional spew.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 01:22:58 PM »
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  • I'll say one thing - LoE's writings are doing something I thought couldn't happen - they're getting worse.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 07:16:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    What a horrific mish-mash of nonsense, filled with straw men, bad arguments, ad hominems, and emotional spew.

    An apt description.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 08:23:44 AM »
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    What a horrific mish-mash of nonsense, filled with straw men, bad arguments, ad hominems, and emotional spew.

    An apt description.


    If I had the time or inclination, I could go through and point out all the flaws with this thing, but very few have probably even taken the time to read it so it's not worth the effort.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 08:25:10 AM »
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  • Let's just start with the first sentence:

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    Once upon a time there was a Catholic Church that everyone could see.


    So the Church has ceased to be visible?

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    « Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 08:28:10 AM »
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  • Sentence 2:

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    This was a story that was written before the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958.


    Typical 50ism.  So everything magically changed when Pius XII died?  No, the rot had been working its way into the Church for centuries.  Just see the battles waged by Pius IX and St. Pius X against it.  St. Pius X in HIS day said that the Church, humanly speaking, was finished.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 08:40:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Heresy
    God knows who you are, though people love to speculate, putting any number of souls in Hell already, such as the souls who believe the infallible teaching of the ordinary magisterium on baptism of desire and baptism of blood.


    What a disingenuous smear by the Pelagian against those who don't believe in BoD/BoB.  No amount of "speculation" will "PUT" ANYONE in Hell.  In fact, it's absolutely the opposite.  BoD is in fact the speculation.  We have the Church's dogmatic teaching that there's no salvation outside the Church and that the Sacraments are necessary by a necessity of means for salvation.  We have Our Lord Himself teaching that no one can be saved who is not born again of WATER (and the Holy Spirit).  Yet the Cushingites accuse US of "speculation".  They are those who speculate that there are exceptions to what Our Lord taught and what the Council of Trent taught dogmatically.

    Not to mention that this sentence is grammatically absurd, with the "souls who believe" part having an ambiguous antecedent.  Are these the same "souls" being "put into Hell" or the ones who "love to speculate"?  One can only resolve the ambiguity through knowing the writer's intense contempt for "Feeneyites".

    Once we get past this pathetic expression, we see yet another straw man emerge.  Only a tiny minority of "Feeneyites" believe that those who believe in BoD/BoB are ipso facto heretics and doomed to hell ... the so-called Dimondites, whom the vast majority of Feeneyites repudiate.  Nevertheless, the heresy isn't in BoD/BoB per se, but rather in the extension of BoD into outright Pelagianism, denial of the dogma that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation, denial of EENS, and a Vatican II ecclesiology.

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    Hopefully these types, such as the two who danced on the tomb of Father Martin Stepanich, OFM assuring us of his damnation before his body got cold, are in the minority of those who insist that Baptism of desire and Baptism of blood does not form a part of the infallible explanation on "No Salvation Outside the Church".


    You know FULL well that these are in the EXTREME minority.  Yet I see very few people putting souls into hell more than the SEDEVACANTISTS.  And it's the SVism of the Dimonds that creates this mindset in them and not their "Feeneyism".

    And this is just the first two paragraphs.

    I could go on for 20 pages.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 02:28:33 PM »
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  • I think that a new sub-forum is again, in order, one where all of the Lovers of Pelagianism can find a home for all of their various postings.

    For the header, I believe that" 1000 ways to find salvation outside of the Church and the sacraments", would do just fine............Oh! I think that Satan's plan is definitely starting to come into focus here............

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    « Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 02:26:17 PM »
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  • Stubborn-- A question about your signature line.

    It says, "Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory."

    I'd been under the impression that the Sacrament of Penance-- which is what the remission of sin part of Extreme Unction actually is-- remits the eternal character of the punishment due to one who commits sin, but that the temporal punishment remains. In order to remit temporal punishment one has to earn 1 or more indulgences.

    In other words, that one who receives either the Sacrament of Penance or Extreme Unction immediately prior to death won't go to Hell, but will probably spend a time in Purgatory unless there are sufficient indulgences to remit this.

    I've read some of the docuмents of the Council of Trent, but obviously not all of them; & when I was reading them I was looking for specific information, so this may have slipped past. Did the Council really say this?

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    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2015, 08:11:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graehame
    Stubborn-- A question about your signature line.

    It says, "Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory."

    I'd been under the impression that the Sacrament of Penance-- which is what the remission of sin part of Extreme Unction actually is-- remits the eternal character of the punishment due to one who commits sin, but that the temporal punishment remains. In order to remit temporal punishment one has to earn 1 or more indulgences.

    In other words, that one who receives either the Sacrament of Penance or Extreme Unction immediately prior to death won't go to Hell, but will probably spend a time in Purgatory unless there are sufficient indulgences to remit this.

    I've read some of the docuмents of the Council of Trent, but obviously not all of them; & when I was reading them I was looking for specific information, so this may have slipped past. Did the Council really say this?


    In Session 14, Trent says:
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    On the Effect of this Sacrament.
    Moreover the thing signified and the effect of this sacrament are explained in those words; And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man, and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he be in sins they shall be forgiven him. For the thing here signified is the grace of the Holy Ghost; whose anointing cleanses away sins, if there be any still to be expiated, as also the remains of sins; and raises up and strengthens the soul of the sick person, by exciting in him a great confidence in the  divine mercy; whereby the sick being supported, bears more easily the inconveniences and pains of his sickness; and more readily resists the temptations of the devil who lies in wait for his heel; and at times obtains bodily health, when expedient for the welfare of the soul.


    Should a person die immediately after receiving the sacrament of Penance, that person would certainly go to heaven, but likely to purgatory first.

    Briefly, with the sacrament of penance, unlike the sacrament of Extreme Unction, the vestiges or remains of the confessed sins are not expiated in the sacrament of penance, which is why the priest gives us a penance at confession, but no penance is given at Extreme Unction.

    This explains it much better than I can, please, it's not a very long read but it is a very worthwhile read, please read it and see what you think.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse