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I have read some things on the (I guess) unsolved cause of death regarding Pope JP I

I am wondering what others here may know about it (not just speculate but KNOW)

Some say he was murdered because he was getting ready to clean up the Church 


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Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 02:00:28 PM »
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  • All of the sources I've read say it was not because he was going to clean the Church up. In fact he was just as heretical as the rest. He got murdered (according to what I've read) because of something involving the Vatican bank.


    I haven' read anything written by him that was heretical. Have you?
    I read the book written by (Oh Lordy) a fallen away Catholic and the book was about as disturbing as the subject matter: The writer does not go into why there was no autopsy except to mention t hat there was not. What I mean is: Why didn't he broach the topic of why the body has not been exhumed?

    the book is disturbing b/c everyone's accounts of the night he died are different. it is like someone is lying but no one knows whom. It sounds like he was saintly, not a heretic. If that is the case, that is probably the reason he was either murdered or (and/or) not cared for properly. He apparently  did not see a doctor while pope, yet the Vatican has its own pharmacy not subject to the laws of Rome, has the best medical professionals.

    I cannot fully understand the bank story. I know nothing about banks, to speak of. But I do know that Jesus said if you follow him, and it looks like JP I did follow Jesus, "you will be hated by all" and that pope was hated by everyone around him, so---------


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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 03:10:29 PM »
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  • He was NO so I doubt he would "clean up" anything.  His death was suspicious, all the more so because of no autopsy.  Had anyone WANTED to know the truth, and rule out foul play,  they would have had one done.  Obviously there was something to be found in an autopsy and the powers that be did not want those facts to see the light of day. 

    So that leaves us with murder for some unknown reason by some unknown person.

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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 03:28:20 PM »
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  • He was NO so I doubt he would "clean up" anything.  His death was suspicious, all the more so because of no autopsy.  Had anyone WANTED to know the truth, and rule out foul play,  they would have had one done.  Obviously there was something to be found in an autopsy and the powers that be did not want those facts to see the light of day.

    So that leaves us with murder for some unknown reason by some unknown person.
    how can you say he was NO when all he did was be pope and that for an extremely short time?
    I don't think many in the world know much about him

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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 03:36:07 PM »
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  • how can you say he was NO when all he did was be pope and that for an extremely short time?
    I don't think many in the world know much about him
    he was a New Order Catholic.  Said the "new" Mass, accepted V2, was a thoroughgoing modernist.  He had been validly ordained and consecrated a Bishop, and was a bishop for 20 years before being elected as JP1, so yes, he was well known. 


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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #5 on: July 20, 2017, 10:45:11 AM »
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  • The intrigue of the monarchs. It's about power. Was Cardinal Karol Wojtyla involved? Someone who wanted him to be Pope? Someone who disliked JPI? Dropping dead seems to be accepted in Vatican circles (Cardinal Meisner just did, I await the remaining 3 'Dubia' Cardinals' demise before the end of the year). A study of who these 'cardinals' are and their quest for power or those behind them is warranted.

    The facts below pertaining to Jorge Bergoglio were once applauded. Humble Pope? He has proved not to be. However, he has proven to be cunning, unpredictable. Traits of a hunted man or a mafioso.


    "As pope, his manner is less formal than that of his immediate predecessors: a style that news coverage has referred to as "no frills", noting that it is "his common touch and accessibility that is proving the greatest inspiration.  On the night of his election, he took a bus back to his hotel with the cardinals, rather than be driven in the papal car. The next day, he visited Cardinal Jorge María Mejía in the hospital and chatted with patients and staff. At his first media audience, the Saturday after his election, the Pope said of Saint Francis of Assisi: "The man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man", and he added "[h]ow I would like a poor Church, and for the poor".
    Francis chose not to live in the official papal residence in the Apostolic Palace, but to remain in the Vatican guest house, in a suite in which he can receive visitors and hold meetings. He is the first pope since Pope Pius X to live outside the papal apartments."


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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2017, 01:53:17 PM »
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  • The intrigue of the monarchs. It's about power. Was Cardinal Karol Wojtyla involved? Someone who wanted him to be Pope? Someone who disliked JPI? Dropping dead seems to be accepted in Vatican circles (Cardinal Meisner just did, I await the remaining 3 'Dubia' Cardinals' demise before the end of the year). A study of who these 'cardinals' are and their quest for power or those behind them is warranted.

    The facts below pertaining to Jorge Bergoglio were once applauded. Humble Pope? He has proved not to be. However, he has proven to be cunning, unpredictable. Traits of a hunted man or a mafioso.


    "As pope, his manner is less formal than that of his immediate predecessors: a style that news coverage has referred to as "no frills", noting that it is "his common touch and accessibility that is proving the greatest inspiration.  On the night of his election, he took a bus back to his hotel with the cardinals, rather than be driven in the papal car. The next day, he visited Cardinal Jorge María Mejía in the hospital and chatted with patients and staff. At his first media audience, the Saturday after his election, the Pope said of Saint Francis of Assisi: "The man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man", and he added "[h]ow I would like a poor Church, and for the poor".
    Francis chose not to live in the official papal residence in the Apostolic Palace, but to remain in the Vatican guest house, in a suite in which he can receive visitors and hold meetings. He is the first pope since Pope Pius X to live outside the papal apartments."
    SO?
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    I am not impressed. Is all this that you say about him)_ enough to exonerate  him for letting fornicators & adulterers receive JESUS? and all the other heresies he is spouting--not to mention the way he persecutes TRUE Catholics.

    No... all this humble-looking stuff just looks like an act and nothing more, in light of  all that

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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 03:08:28 PM »
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  • It is an act. What I quoted above was taken from a wiki article on the world's first impression of Bergoglio. True Catholics have unfortunately seen his true (wolf) colors.


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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2017, 03:40:19 PM »
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  • It is an act. What I quoted above was taken from a wiki article on the world's first impression of Bergoglio. True Catholics have unfortunately seen his true (wolf) colors.
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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2017, 09:25:54 AM »
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  • There is definitely a lot that is unexplained about the death of John Paul I ... it certainly seems highly suspicious. But I am among those who strongly doubts that if he was murdered, he was not murdered because he was some sort of traditionalist who was going to turn back Paul VI's reforms. On the contrary, the acts he did during his very short time as pope suggest he was going to accelerate things even more. For example:

    He was the first of the Vatican II papal claimants to use a "papal inauguration" ceremony instead of the tradtional coronation. He was the first to completely refuse the tiara (Paul VI was crowned, although I don't think he wore the tiara again afterwards).

    In his Angelus address of 10 September 1978 he said that God "is our Father; even more He is our Mother" which is at least a novel way to speak about the First Person of the Trinity.

    He expressed a commitment to "renewing the Church" by implementing the Vatican II reforms.


    Also, some of his actions before being "elected" "pope" would suggest he was liberal, such as:

    In 1968, when he was bishop of Vittorio Veneto, he submitted a report to the Patriarch of Venice that argued that birth control pills should be permitted.

    I'm sure there's more, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of JPI aside from the general reputation/impression I've heard from people who were around at the time of his election who were strongly of the view that he was very liberal and they were happy that he'd been elected because they thought he would allow things like aforementioned use of birth control. I don't know whether they were right, but it all paints a picture of someone who was unlikely to have been αssαssιnαtҽd for being an arch-conservative. I have heard that it was more about the Vatican Bank.



     

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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2017, 04:19:18 PM »
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  • There is definitely a lot that is unexplained about the death of John Paul I ... it certainly seems highly suspicious. But I am among those who strongly doubts that if he was murdered, he was not murdered because he was some sort of traditionalist who was going to turn back Paul VI's reforms. On the contrary, the acts he did during his very short time as pope suggest he was going to accelerate things even more. For example:

    He was the first of the Vatican II papal claimants to use a "papal inauguration" ceremony instead of the tradtional coronation. He was the first to completely refuse the tiara (Paul VI was crowned, although I don't think he wore the tiara again afterwards).

    In his Angelus address of 10 September 1978 he said that God "is our Father; even more He is our Mother" which is at least a novel way to speak about the First Person of the Trinity.

    He expressed a commitment to "renewing the Church" by implementing the Vatican II reforms.


    Also, some of his actions before being "elected" "pope" would suggest he was liberal, such as:

    In 1968, when he was bishop of Vittorio Veneto, he submitted a report to the Patriarch of Venice that argued that birth control pills should be permitted.

    I'm sure there's more, but that's about the extent of my knowledge of JPI aside from the general reputation/impression I've heard from people who were around at the time of his election who were strongly of the view that he was very liberal and they were happy that he'd been elected because they thought he would allow things like aforementioned use of birth control. I don't know whether they were right, but it all paints a picture of someone who was unlikely to have been αssαssιnαtҽd for being an arch-conservative. I have heard that it was more about the Vatican Bank.



     
    He changed on the birth control thing
    He accepted Humane Vitae


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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2017, 09:33:49 PM »
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  • Fr. Gregory Hesse knew JPI before he was elected Pope. Fr. assured me that he was very liberal, and a sort of "peace/love/hippy" type of bishop. So not much doctrinal improvement could have been expected by him, however, insiders have said that he was getting ready to take steps to reform the Vatican bank which was pretty corrupt. So when corrupt money interests get threatened with changes, sinister things can happen.
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    Also, he was pope for just 33 days. 33 is a very important number for Freemasons. Not hard evidence, but shouldn't be ignored. Could be an important clue.
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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
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    Re: Do U know much abt the strange death of Pope JP I? was it murder?
    « Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 08:24:29 AM »
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  • Just look at the name he chooses, the name of his two predecessors to prove that he was to carry on what they started.  
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    « Reply #14 on: July 24, 2017, 06:20:35 PM »
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  • Fr. Gregory Hesse knew JPI before he was elected Pope. Fr. assured me that he was very liberal, and a sort of "peace/love/hippy" type of bishop. So not much doctrinal improvement could have been expected by him, however, insiders have said that he was getting ready to take steps to reform the Vatican bank which was pretty corrupt. So when corrupt money interests get threatened with changes, sinister things can happen.
    .
    Also, he was pope for just 33 days. 33 is a very important number for Freemasons. Not hard evidence, but shouldn't be ignored. Could be an important clue.
    the guy named Calvi who was  in charge of Bank Ambrosiano was found hanged under Black Friars Bridge (interesting name THERE, eh?) and get this: he had a half-brick in his clothing.
    and yet some want to dismiss the murder cօռspιʀαcιҽs as just paranoid cօռspιʀαcιҽs... right

    ѕυιcιdє?

    right

    you hear a lot about ѕυιcιdєs who hang themselves w/ a brick in their clothing... happens all the time