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Offline SimpleMan

Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« on: June 26, 2020, 05:59:36 PM »
I know the SSPX grants "Declarations of Nullity" (or rather, opinions regarding the nullity of marriages using pre-Vatican II norms), but do any other traditionalist bishops do this?  "Lack of form" would be pretty much a no-brainer, but "annulments" for any other reason --- is this a "thing" in traditional Catholicism?  And what does a traditional Catholic do, if they are divorced and want to be free to remarry?

Does "supplied jurisdiction" extend to being able to declare lack of form, or to find putatively valid marriages null and void?
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Offline Aristotl

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2020, 08:48:41 PM »
Yes, Bishop Mark Pivaronus does. He did this to a marriage Father Kevin Vaillancourt presided over. 
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Offline St.Patrick

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 04:34:37 AM »
They should of course be able to do all that the pre vatican II church did.
They are the only true bishops left. Sedes can't be trusted. So they have all the powers necessary to keep the Church going.


An SSPX would not do it anymore, now that they have submitted to modernist Rome on marriages.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2020, 12:44:01 PM »
Quote from: Aristotl on June 26, 2020, 08:48:41 PM
Yes, Bishop Mark Pivaronus does. He did this to a marriage Father Kevin Vaillancourt presided over.
Just out of curiosity, was it a "lack of form" declaration or affidavit (i.e., a Catholic attempted marriage outside the Church that is ipso facto invalid, just in need of docuŠ¼entation and certification), or a true "annulment"?
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2020, 08:23:25 PM »
Basically no. They apply the standards that were used before Vatican 2 for matrimony. If two (single) people get married in church and profess their vows to each other, they are married until death. Going in later and claiming you were ignorant/pressured/stupid/immature/didn't want children/incompatible didn't get you anywhere with Catholic bishops before Vatican 2, and it won't get you anywhere with Catholic sedevacantist priests or bishops now. And going in with an "annulment" from heretics given on any of the above grounds won't get you anywhere with them either. They'll just tell you you were sold a bill of goods by a bunch of heretics who don't believe in the sacrament of matrimony, and that in the eyes of God you are married until death. That "annulment" in your hands is as useless as an expired coupon for a carton of Eggo waffles.
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