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Author Topic: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?  (Read 35049 times)

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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2020, 05:42:03 PM »
Quote from: St.Patrick on July 16, 2020, 12:07:06 PM
Canon law is violated totally by the crisis in the Church,
Wrong.


"Therefore, it is irrelevant to make a distinction between a declaration and an opinion. You are seeking formality for formality's sake. If a marriage never was, it never was. That's what annulment is."

Which is why I said "However, due to the problems associated with the novus ordo, some traditional non-sspx priests and bishops have taken it upon themselves to decide whether or not they will re-marry someone (ipso facto granting an "annulment" by taking the burden onto themselves).

It is not an area many traditional priests or bishops will enter, for obvious reasons."
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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2020, 05:46:35 PM »
Quote from: In Principio on July 16, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
Many, or most, cases today would fall under the conditions of Canon 1098 of the 1917 Code, when the authorized pastors and ordinaries, or a delegate of either, prescribed by Canon's 1095 and 1096 cannot be had without great inconvenience, and it may prudently be foreseen that this will last for a month.   As long as there are no diriment impediments, all that matters for a marriage to be valid under the conditions of c. 1098 is the fact that the conditions of c.1098 truly exist when and where the marriage takes place.  Under such conditions, mixed marriages between a baptized Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic are valid, even if in bad faith they are married by a civil official or non-Catholic minister in a non-Catholic ceremony.  The judgment, beliefs, motives, or sinful intentions of those marrying does not affect validity, even if those marrying think their marriage will be invalid in the eyes of the Church.  Canon 1098 takes effect as soon as the conditions are fulfilled, independent of a priest declaring it or the parties knowing about the canon.
This is whwhat I was taught, too.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2020, 05:48:13 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on July 16, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
Blessed Lord wills that some people have to wait a long time until they can find someone to marry.  He wills that some people not marry at all, the fact that they would like to marry notwithstanding --- that lady whose beauty is not visible to the outward observer, the man who doesn't have the social graces to attract a mate.  Life doesn't always play out on our preferred terms.

Ok. But then there are others who look real good and to them a month appears like eternity.
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Offline Venantius0518

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2020, 05:54:40 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on July 16, 2020, 12:36:34 PM
The more subjective cases (too immature, had a psychological problem, couldn't balance a checkbook, didn't get along with the neighbors, what have you) wouldn't be an issue, because prior to V2, those weren't grounds for annulment.
Right.
I was taught the other major ground is deceit of an important nature before marriage.  For instance, if one person had been married before, is an alcoholic and/or a drug addict, had a history of physical abuse or mental illness, and kept it from the other party before marriage.  These must be proven and verified, but I was taught they are all pre-Vatican 2 annulment grounds.
Perhaps Pax can corroborate. 
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2020, 10:04:19 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on July 16, 2020, 05:48:13 PM
Ok. But then there are others who look real good and to them a month appears like eternity.
Not clear on what you mean by this.  Are you referring to women who are attractive, who have found someone to marry, and don't want to wait a month?

This thumb and index finger of mine rubbing together are me playing a threnody of pity and sorrow on the world's smallest violin.
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