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Author Topic: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?  (Read 36804 times)

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2020, 06:07:27 PM »
I was told the SSPX, or any bishop or priest, can only give an opinion regarding nullity.  They cannot grant a declaration of nullity.  The SSPX violates canon law in doing so.
I was told that if a priest or bishop evaluates a case and he is willing to remarry someone, it is on his soul as to whether or he should have done such.  
I'm not clear what you are saying.  No bishop can grant a declaration of nullity?  I thought that's precisely what diocesan bishops did, though with their tribunal "doing all the work" and making the decision as to whether the marriage is invalid or not.  Or are you referring only to SSPX bishops?

Likewise, when you say "evaluates a case and... is willing to remarry someone", do you mean an SSPX priest or bishop being told the facts of the matter regarding the marriage, ascertaining that it was invalid, and then "remarrying" one of the spouses to another partner?  Or are you referring to priests and bishops in general?  Traditional priests and bishops in general?

Prior to Vatican II, annulments were very rare, and it's not something the average priest (or possibly even bishop) would have ever encountered.

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2020, 12:19:03 PM »
I'm not clear what you are saying.  No bishop can grant a declaration of nullity?  I thought that's precisely what diocesan bishops did, though with their tribunal "doing all the work" and making the decision as to whether the marriage is invalid or not.  Or are you referring only to SSPX bishops?

Likewise, when you say "evaluates a case and... is willing to remarry someone", do you mean an SSPX priest or bishop being told the facts of the matter regarding the marriage, ascertaining that it was invalid, and then "remarrying" one of the spouses to another partner?  Or are you referring to priests and bishops in general?  Traditional priests and bishops in general?

Prior to Vatican II, annulments were very rare, and it's not something the average priest (or possibly even bishop) would have ever encountered.

Yes, I meant I was told that no traditional bishop can grant an annulment.  Also, only specific, not all, diocesan bishops can grant annulment.

No traditional bishop, including the sspx bishops, are diocesan.  They have no authority in canon law to have a marriage tribunal or to decide annulments.

However, due to the problems associated with the novus ordo, some traditional non-sspx priests and bishops have taken it upon themselves to decide whether or not they will re-marry someone (ipso facto granting an "annulment" by taking the burden onto themselves).

It is not an area many traditional priests or bishops will enter, for obvious reasons.


Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2020, 12:06:20 AM »
The one that I mention a few times is the first one I heard about in years. Back in the days of Bishop Musey, there were a few that he looked at. Where a man claimed he was forced to marry and that was granted an annulment. The only problem I had was the same man did this with another marriage. So I question that one.

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2020, 12:03:29 PM »
That might be true of the SSPX, but I was thinking more of independent non-sedevacantist bishops (including SSPX Resistance), as well as bishops who are sedevacantist.  Neither has been given any authority by the Holy See.
the crises in the Church overrides that.

Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2020, 12:07:06 PM »
I was told the SSPX, or any bishop or priest, can only give an opinion regarding nullity.  They cannot grant a declaration of nullity.  The SSPX violates canon law in doing so.
I was told that if a priest or bishop evaluates a case and he is willing to remarry someone, it is on his soul as to whether or he should have done such.  
Canon law is violated totally by the crisis in the Church, since it's final end is the salvation of souls.
Therefore, it is irrelevant to make a distinction between a declaration and an opinion. You are seeking formality for formality's sake. If a marriage never was, it never was. That's what annulment is.