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Offline Endeavor

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2020, 03:24:01 PM »
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    • One big name safe bishop is a high-school drop out. 
    They have the bare minimum of formal education forget seminary training. 
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    Offline Aristotl

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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 10:05:40 AM »
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    • I was not aware of that seems rather interesting may I ask who? is the bishop you are referring to?
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 10:13:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 28, 2020, 02:47:24 PM
    Fr. Vaillancourt has been in terrible health for years, and it is commonly known that his ailments have had an effect on his mind. I wouldn't take a lot of what he says all that seriously without corroboration from someone else.
    Say what you will about me but ask others and they will tell you about the religious brother from CMRI that left and got married by Father Kevin Vaillancourt and had two kids the persons initials are RW. I'm willing to say the name if you want. 
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    Offline Endeavor

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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 10:29:47 AM »
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    • Aristotl(e), do you attend the services of the "pure bishop? I wonder because you seem to have knowledge about him.

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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 11:51:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aristotl on July 01, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
    Say what you will about me but ask others and they will tell you about the religious brother from CMRI that left and got married by Father Kevin Vaillancourt and had two kids the persons initials are RW. I'm willing to say the name if you want.
    Why waste your time? 
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2020, 08:29:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aristotl on June 26, 2020, 08:48:41 PM
    Yes, Bishop Mark Pivaronus does. He did this to a marriage Father Kevin Vaillancourt presided over.
    I believe this to be an outright lie.  Clearly, Aristotl is an anti-Christ.
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #21 on: July 02, 2020, 09:26:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on July 02, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
    I believe this to be an outright lie.  Clearly, Aristotl is an anti-Christ.
    He is also practically illiterate, as shown here:

    Quote from: Aristotl on July 01, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
    I was not aware of that seems rather interesting may I ask who? is the bishop you are referring to?
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #22 on: July 02, 2020, 10:31:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Endeavor on July 01, 2020, 10:29:47 AM
    Aristotl(e), do you attend the services of the "pure bishop? I wonder because you seem to have knowledge about him.
    I do when I'm in Italy. 
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #23 on: July 02, 2020, 10:39:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on July 02, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
    I believe this to be an outright lie.  Clearly, Aristotl is an anti-Christ.
    I have been called many things in my lifetime but anti-christ has never been one of them. If you pass judgment so easily then God help us all.  I am a ROMAN CATHOLIC I hold true to everything taught by the Church and her sovereign pontiffs from Peter to Pope Pius XII. 
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #24 on: July 03, 2020, 05:54:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Aristotl on July 02, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
    I have been called many things in my lifetime but anti-christ has never been one of them. If you pass judgment so easily then God help us all.  I am a ROMAN CATHOLIC I hold true to everything taught by the Church and her sovereign pontiffs from Peter to Pope Pius XII.

    If you say anything against the sedes on this forum, they will come after you with a vegeance. They are in control here.
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2020, 06:30:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aristotl on July 02, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
    I have been called many things in my lifetime but anti-christ has never been one of them. If you pass judgment so easily then God help us all.  I am a ROMAN CATHOLIC I hold true to everything taught by the Church and her sovereign pontiffs from Peter to Pope Pius XII.
    Holding everything taught by the Catholic Church is laudable.  Passing on rumors one hears to calumniate a holy bishop on a public forum is not practicing what you say you believe.
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #26 on: July 14, 2020, 12:40:23 PM »
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    • This is not a rumor it is a FACT. Do you belong to the CMRI group in Spokane WA? If not you are not aware of what happens there. I heard it from the wife. So don't attack me.
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #27 on: July 14, 2020, 02:20:09 PM »
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    • So which is it?  First you said:
    I actually heard this from Father Kevin Vaillancourt.

    And now you say:
    I heard it from the wife.

    Frankly, I don't believe you.  When a person's testimony abruptly changes, it is a definite sign that...the person forgot the lie he told the first time.



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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #28 on: July 14, 2020, 04:22:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on June 26, 2020, 05:59:36 PM
    I know the SSPX grants "Declarations of Nullity" (or rather, opinions regarding the nullity of marriages using pre-Vatican II norms), but do any other traditionalist bishops do this?  "Lack of form" would be pretty much a no-brainer, but "annulments" for any other reason --- is this a "thing" in traditional Catholicism?  And what does a traditional Catholic do, if they are divorced and want to be free to remarry?

    Does "supplied jurisdiction" extend to being able to declare lack of form, or to find putatively valid marriages null and void?
    I was told the SSPX, or any bishop or priest, can only give an opinion regarding nullity.  They cannot grant a declaration of nullity.  The SSPX violates canon law in doing so.
    I was told that if a priest or bishop evaluates a case and he is willing to remarry someone, it is on his soul as to whether or he should have done such.  
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    Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
    « Reply #29 on: July 14, 2020, 05:57:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on July 14, 2020, 02:20:09 PM
    So which is it?  First you said:
    I actually heard this from Father Kevin Vaillancourt.

    And now you say:
    I heard it from the wife.

    Frankly, I don't believe you.  When a person's testimony abruptly changes, it is a definite sign that...the person forgot the lie he told the first time.
    Again I originally heard this from Father Vaillancourt when you and others started questioning this I went to the current wife Misty and she said Bishop Pivaronus gave an annulment. Take it up with Bob's wife so let it go. Things are different in Spokane if you are not from Mount Saint Michael then you have no idea of what goes on there.
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