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Author Topic: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?  (Read 35082 times)

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2020, 12:04:20 AM »

True! And consequently, Our Lord wills that others don't have to wait long to marry. And Church Law provides that it's possible within a month.
If Church Law provide that it's possible to marry within a month, then why does the sspx not marry with less than a 3 month engagement?  They insist that the bans be read that long from the pulpit, and also that the couple rdceive marriage "instruction" from the marrying priest.

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2020, 08:46:04 AM »
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I suppose I just don't understand why the Church has a law allowing people to marry within a month
I don’t think it’s that simple.  I looked up the canons that Principio mentioned and they had nothing to do with any month time period.  So we would all need to read the actual code in context to get more details.
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I could see the only exception of 1 month being applicable to the following scenarios:  1) the couple lives in an anti-catholic country and normal, diocesan churches don’t exist, or are in hiding for persecution, or are spread out and priests aren’t available often (China, Middle East).  2) same issues as above due to war, or other disasters, 3) the couple is on some remote island or mountain place where the church/priest is not close (ie in the Bible Belt), and maybe the couple can’t travel due to family sickness or some other reason.  So they can get married, to avoid the occasion of sin, and then find a priest to get blessed later. 
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In all other cases, the couple is obligated to present themselves before a diocesan priest (or Trad priest) and the normal preparations, classes and such are required.  The only reason the priest/Church makes a couple wait is so She/priest can provide classes and to be a witness that the couple is aware of the sacramental obligations and there is no impediment.  But in crisis situations, the couple vowing before God suffices.  


Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2020, 11:05:55 AM »
I don’t think it’s that simple.  I looked up the canons that Principio mentioned and they had nothing to do with any month time period.  So we would all need to read the actual code in context to get more details.
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I could see the only exception of 1 month being applicable to the following scenarios:  1) the couple lives in an anti-catholic country and normal, diocesan churches don’t exist, or are in hiding for persecution, or are spread out and priests aren’t available often (China, Middle East).  2) same issues as above due to war, or other disasters, 3) the couple is on some remote island or mountain place where the church/priest is not close (ie in the Bible Belt), and maybe the couple can’t travel due to family sickness or some other reason.  So they can get married, to avoid the occasion of sin, and then find a priest to get blessed later.
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In all other cases, the couple is obligated to present themselves before a diocesan priest (or Trad priest) and the normal preparations, classes and such are required.  The only reason the priest/Church makes a couple wait is so She/priest can provide classes and to be a witness that the couple is aware of the sacramental obligations and there is no impediment.  But in crisis situations, the couple vowing before God suffices.  
Even if it does exist in Canon Law, "the crisis in the Church" means we throw out canon law!  🙄 (tongue in cheek)

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Re: Do traditionalist bishops ever issue Declarations of Nullity?
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2020, 11:12:33 AM »
That’s retarded logic.  No one has the authority to disregard canon law, if they want to save their soul.  That’s why Trad clerics abide by the 1917 code 99% of that time.  There’s certain cases where it doesn’t apply but most codes are still applicable.  

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« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2020, 11:23:04 AM »
That’s retarded logic.  No one has the authority to disregard canon law, if they want to save their soul.  That’s why Trad clerics abide by the 1917 code 99% of that time.  There’s certain cases where it doesn’t apply but most codes are still applicable.  
I was being facetious.
The "crisis in the church" has been used on this website to approve all sorts of illegalities.
Fr. Pfeiffer has thrown out canon law, and even some basic catechism for that matter.
B. Williamson has ignored canon law regarding pervert priests.
The phrase is used far to liberally among resistance and independent groups.