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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Geremia on August 08, 2018, 03:13:04 PM

Title: Do the SSPX religious not take solemn (public) vows?
Post by: Geremia on August 08, 2018, 03:13:04 PM
Abp. Lefebvre gave a sermon to the Avrillé convent in 1981, in which he said (PDF p. 5 of this (https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Sel%20de%20la%20Terre/Sel%20de%20la%20Terre%20n%c2%b0%201-100/Revues/Sdt%20N%c2%b0036/Sermon%20sur%20l'%c3%a9tat%20religieux.pdf)):
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Il est vrai que je n’ai pas reçu de délégation spéciale du Supérieur général de l’Ordre des dominicains pour recevoir ces vœux que vous allez prononcer, et que, par conséquent, on peut dire que ces vœux au regard de l’Église ne sont pas des vœux publics, mais des vœux privés.

[It is true that I have not received a special delegation from the Superior General of the Order of the Dominicans to receive the vows that you are going to pronounce, and that, consequently, one can say that these vows in regard to the Church are not public vows, but private vows.]
Do the SSPX religious technically not take solemn (public) vows?
Title: Re: Do the SSPX religious not take solemn (public) vows?
Post by: TKGS on August 08, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
No.  The SSPX priests do not take vows.

The information does not seem to appear on the current SSPX website, but this information can be found on archived pages:

http://archives.sspx.org/Vocations/sspx_vocational_information.htm

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The SSPX is a society of common life without vows (meaning the vows of religion, as the SSPX is a secular religious congregation and not a regular, or monastic order), like the Sulpicians, the White Fathers, etc.
Title: Re: Do the SSPX religious not take solemn (public) vows?
Post by: Geremia on August 08, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
The SSPX priests do not take vows.
I'm asking about the religious (e.g., nuns) affiliated with the SSPX, not SSPX priests (although there are SSPX priests who become Benedictines, Dominicans, etc.).
Title: Re: Do the SSPX religious not take solemn (public) vows?
Post by: Stanley N on August 08, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Yes, the brothers and sisters in the SSPX take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. I am not completely sure, but I think these vows would have to be "private".

Whether they are "public" or "private" is a canonical distinction. Vows can also be classified as "solemn" or "simple". "Solemn" and "public" are similar but are not exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Do the SSPX religious not take solemn (public) vows?
Post by: TKGS on August 08, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
I'm asking about the religious (e.g., nuns) affiliated with the SSPX, not SSPX priests (although there are SSPX priests who become Benedictines, Dominicans, etc.).
These are not, strictly, "SSPX religious".  They are, as you note above, affiliated with the SSPX.  Religious will take vows according to the Rule of their order, congregation, etc.