Author Topic: do sspx priests marry open sedes?? (Read 1493 times)

curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** September 10, 2011, 03:52:00 PM »

Could I get married in the SSPX if I was an open sede and my wife to be was SSPX? This is important for me because I have met/seen a few women on these SSPX websites who I think would make excellent wives/mothers but some of them have stopped contact with me after I mentioned I had become a sedevacantist. Its kind of sad considering how much I admire the SSPX, ABL, and the quality of priests they put out. I would have no problem attending an SSPX chapel with my wife/children as long as 1. the priest was validly ordained adn 2. Bishop Fellay does not compromise with Rome/Vatican II sect. Does anyone know of open sedes being married in the SSPX? Thank you.

Another reason why I like the SSPX even though I am a sede is their schools. Even though I am a sede I would move halfway across the country if I thought my children could benefit from a catholic education.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:57:18 PM »

First, I want to point out something Archbishop Lefevbre said:

"I do not say that the pope is not the pope, but I do not say that you cannot say that the pope is not the pope."

Knowing this, I don't think it's important to even mention that you are a sede, much less that it matters.

It's not a matter that is totally set in stone, because the Church has not made a pronouncement. So, there is no opinion, (being loyal to BXVI, doubt that he was validly elected, or that there is another pope in hiding somewhere) that will put you outside the Church. In essence, it's basically the same as believing/not believing in Limbo, since the Church hasn't made an official pronouncement one way or the other on its existence. It's one of those things we have a liberty to believe, since the truth about the situation cannot be 100% KNOWN.

Understanding this, you're going to run into a lot of differing opinions on the subject, and do they REALLY matter? Nah, and you shouldn't MAKE it matter, because perhaps a few people in the world know for 100% certainty what the real situation is, but the general person in the pew, or the scattered traditional priest really does not know. I don't even argue about this issue anymore, because I just say that, "I do NOT know, and I'm not going to even TRY to wrap my mind around it because the conspiracy is so vast, that I don't think it's possible that it can be known at this point, and along with this fact, it does not pertain to my salvation as a Catholic, therefore, it DOES NOT MATTER, as long as you're true to the teachings of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith."

Secondly, one thing many people don't do when they "move halfway across the country" to set up shop in a "traditional" town, is the matter of employment. Now, if you're going to plan on moving somewhere, you had better investigate your employment options first, and make sure you can afford the cost of living and the expense of sending your children to a traditional school. Traditional schools are very expensive. Heck, many people live right in Saint Mary's, and can't send their multiple children there because they can't afford it. So, they live there, but they homeschool. I know people that have moved there from here (Northeast Wisconsin) and they've had to move back because "the grass was not greener," i.e., they did NOT have a plan, they didn't have a job lined up for the breadwinner, they didn't have savings in case things didn't work out right, et cetera.

At one time (in my younger and more foolish early married years) I used to dream about moving there and sending my children to school out there. In my now wiser (narrowly approaching 14 years) later years of being married, and from observing others that have foolishly moved out there only to find themselves back here in short order, I have resigned myself to the fact that the grass is NOT greener, and unless you have some kind of specialty profession, or want to travel to Topeka for work, you're going to fail out there, and it's not worth it.

Just things to consider.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2011, 06:14:16 PM »

While the priest doesn't need to know about it, I think your wife-to-be should now where you stand on the issue. You don't want to tie the knot and then have her find out after the fact and then end up with her treating you like a protestant because your a sede.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2011, 06:14:26 PM »

I wonder this same thing...curiouscatholic.. are you a mirror image of me?

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2011, 07:03:11 PM »

I'll give you guys a hint:

If it has "SSPX" or "sede" in the title, it PROBABLY belongs in the Crisis subforum.
:rolleyes:

Thanks,

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2011, 01:32:51 AM »

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Could I get married in the SSPX if I was an open sede and my wife to be was SSPX? This is important for me because I have met/seen a few women on these SSPX websites who I think would make excellent wives/mothers but some of them have stopped contact with me after I mentioned I had become a sedevacantist. Its kind of sad considering how much I admire the SSPX, ABL, and the quality of priests they put out. I would have no problem attending an SSPX chapel with my wife/children as long as 1. the priest was validly ordained adn 2. Bishop Fellay does not compromise with Rome/Vatican II sect. Does anyone know of open sedes being married in the SSPX? Thank you.

Another reason why I like the SSPX even though I am a sede is their schools. Even though I am a sede I would move halfway across the country if I thought my children could benefit from a catholic education.

Do you want to share the running of your future household with a domineering SSPX priest?

Remember when I sent you that SSPX link that said a husband twenty years old than his wife shouldn't be seen as an impediment? Don't expect the SSPX priests to follow that.

I've heard of the case of an ex-SSPX priest saying in the confessional that it's no worse to use birth control if one is committing the sin of fornication, since one is offending God anyway. It would be very naive to believe that sort of hypocrisy is a rare exception. Holy priests do not feel the need to control and manipulate, to feel as though they are leaders and are the closest confidantes of the women of the parish. Holy priests do their job as they are intended, but many priests are very vain and they use the confessional to gratify their pride. And the SSPX seems to have a serious problem with vain priests.

SSPX girls seem very nice. Especially at first. Some of them no doubt are very nice - especially in comparison to other women. But don't kid yourself as to thinking they aren't at all like other American women.

The whole thing about "not talking" - - for example - after you say you're a sede. That's the kind of manipulation from the priests you get in the SSPX. I think if you marry an SSPX girl and end up with a malignant priest as her confessor you could find your home life seriously disrupted by his twisted manipulations.

What do you expect from a totalitarian organization that practices double-think on the issue of the papacy?

LordPhan · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2011, 01:57:44 AM »

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Could I get married in the SSPX if I was an open sede and my wife to be was SSPX? This is important for me because I have met/seen a few women on these SSPX websites who I think would make excellent wives/mothers but some of them have stopped contact with me after I mentioned I had become a sedevacantist. Its kind of sad considering how much I admire the SSPX, ABL, and the quality of priests they put out. I would have no problem attending an SSPX chapel with my wife/children as long as 1. the priest was validly ordained adn 2. Bishop Fellay does not compromise with Rome/Vatican II sect. Does anyone know of open sedes being married in the SSPX? Thank you.

Another reason why I like the SSPX even though I am a sede is their schools. Even though I am a sede I would move halfway across the country if I thought my children could benefit from a catholic education.

Do you want to share the running of your future household with a domineering SSPX priest?

Remember when I sent you that SSPX link that said a husband twenty years old than his wife shouldn't be seen as an impediment? Don't expect the SSPX priests to follow that.

I've heard of the case of an ex-SSPX priest saying in the confessional that it's no worse to use birth control if one is committing the sin of fornication, since one is offending God anyway. It would be very naive to believe that sort of hypocrisy is a rare exception. Holy priests do not feel the need to control and manipulate, to feel as though they are leaders and are the closest confidantes of the women of the parish. Holy priests do their job as they are intended, but many priests are very vain and they use the confessional to gratify their pride. And the SSPX seems to have a serious problem with vain priests.

SSPX girls seem very nice. Especially at first. Some of them no doubt are very nice - especially in comparison to other women. But don't kid yourself as to thinking they aren't at all like other American women.

The whole thing about "not talking" - - for example - after you say you're a sede. That's the kind of manipulation from the priests you get in the SSPX. I think if you marry an SSPX girl and end up with a malignant priest as her confessor you could find your home life seriously disrupted by his twisted manipulations.

What do you expect from a totalitarian organization that practices double-think on the issue of the papacy?

This is all in Tele's mind, he had some problem at some weird chapel somewhere in it's own world that has warped his view of the SSPX. I have never met an SSPX Priest that was like that.

My advice to the OP would be to phone and ask.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2011, 02:16:37 AM »

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This is all in Tele's mind, he had some problem at some weird chapel somewhere in it's own world that has warped his view of the SSPX. I have never met an SSPX Priest that was like that.

My advice to the OP would be to phone and ask.

The silent treatment CC has received for being a sede, is that in his mind? Are we supposed to believe that's a sane Catholic thing to do, to tell young women to give young sedevacantist Catholic men the silent treatment?

Some SSPX priests (and certainly many busy body laymen - who don't have near the power of course - but that doesn't stop them) fit this description:

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"People who desire power experience interest in, not to say love for, only those inferior to themselves in knowledge or capacity. Their world is a world of inferiors. It is for that reason that they desire and attempt to bring about an inferior world! Therefore, if you wish to recommend yourself to such a man or woman, it is only as an ignorant, helpless, eternally subaltern individual that you can do so."

If causing suffering and betraying the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre is the only way to maintain this power - they will do it without hesitation. The last thing they want is to allow independent clear thinking men (unsubmissive to the logical contortions they try to impose) like sedes to raise the next generation of Catholics. They would rather have people be miserable, kick devout sede priests to the curb, etc.

The modernists in the Church and their collaborators in the Trad world, just as Freemasons and Jєωs - want to make the world worse for the gratification of their own ambitions.

LordPhan · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2011, 02:38:52 AM »

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This is all in Tele's mind, he had some problem at some weird chapel somewhere in it's own world that has warped his view of the SSPX. I have never met an SSPX Priest that was like that.

My advice to the OP would be to phone and ask.

The silent treatment CC has received for being a sede, is that in his mind? Are we supposed to believe that's a sane Catholic thing to do, to tell young women to give young sedevacantist Catholic men the silent treatment?

Some SSPX priests (and certainly many busy body laymen - who don't have near the power of course - but that doesn't stop them) fit this description:

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"People who desire power experience interest in, not to say love for, only those inferior to themselves in knowledge or capacity. Their world is a world of inferiors. It is for that reason that they desire and attempt to bring about an inferior world! Therefore, if you wish to recommend yourself to such a man or woman, it is only as an ignorant, helpless, eternally subaltern individual that you can do so."

If causing suffering and betraying the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre is the only way to maintain this power - they will do it without hesitation. The last thing they want is to allow independent clear thinking men (unsubmissive to the logical contortions they try to impose) like sedes to raise the next generation of Catholics. They would rather have people be miserable, kick devout sede priests to the curb, etc.

The modernists in the Church and their collaborators in the Trad world, just as Freemasons and Jєωs - want to make the world worse for the gratification of their own ambitions.

Do you even listen to yourself speak? You have a serious problem, you have just condemned women for not wanting to choose who they consort with or marry? I can pull up 100 threads of you saying they should choose who to consort with and marry.

We are not betraying the mission of Archbishop Lefebre, you have his mission all deluded in your brain.

Let's tear up another idiotic point of yours, your 'Freethinking men' sounds very Masonic to me, perhaps it is you who is corrupted with modernisms and masonic tendancies. You lash out at everyone, condemn people rashly, make up your own theology(armchair theology is a modernism condemned by Pope St. Pius X), I see Sede's swearing and cursing, I see Sede's denying Dogma's of the Church and picking and choosing which teachings to follow and which Doctor to follow not based on what was always believed(Which is how the Catholic Church Operates) but based on what you want to believe. Very Protestant, very Jєωιѕн and very Masonic.

I am seriously suspecting that many Sede's are in fact just a different version of Cafeteria Catholics, you deny the Heirarchy and act as your own little independant theologians declaring people to be Catholic or not based on your own mediocre knowledge of Canon Law and/or High Theology. That is NOT Catholic, due obedience IS Catholic, With supplied Jurisidiction you are asking for jurisdiction on the belief that there is none legitamately supplied and or there is a danger to your faith by attending the diocesan structure, but in your fairy-tale deluded mind you think yourselves as the masters of the clergy. If you ask for their jurisdiction and they supply it, you owe obedience I suggest you contemplate this.

I suggest you get off this high and mighty "I know more then the clergy" mindset and seek a better interior prayer-life, then perhaps you will gain some friends and support and THEN and ONLY then will the women that you seek find you.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2011, 03:04:44 AM »

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Do you even listen to yourself speak? You have a serious problem, you have just condemned women for not wanting to choose who they consort with or marry?

You show an SSPXers typical lack of logic. Why would girls give a sede the silent treatment? I've been told that "sedes are heretics" by a girl at church. Where do you think they're getting that? A priest who tells girls not to talk to a man if he's a sede is a twisted manipulator.

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I can pull up 100 threads of you saying they should choose who to consort with and marry.

Right - which means perverse manipulating priests should not impose on them in the confessional.

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We are not betraying the mission of Archbishop Lefebre, you have his mission all deluded in your brain.

It's quite obvious what the judaizers of the SSPX like Bishop "elder brothers" (Big Brother?) Fellay are doing: SELLING OUT.

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Let's tear up another idiotic point of yours, your 'Freethinking men' sounds very Masonic to me,

I never said anything about being "freethinking." Thinking clearly - that's what the SSPX rhetoric talks about. Not allowing muddled modernistic thinking to take over. That means being consistent. Now Bishop Fellay's "elder brothers" comment - that's not consistent. The only way you can reconcile that with what the SSPX taught before is to start thinking like a modernist.

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perhaps it is you who is corrupted with modernisms and masonic tendancies. You lash out at everyone, condemn people rashly, make up your own theology(armchair theology is a modernism condemned by Pope St. Pius X),

What armchair theology? Everything I've said are Catholic teachings accessible to everyone that require no theological expertise.

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I see Sede's swearing and cursing, I see Sede's denying Dogma's of the Church

Which dogmas? Seriously. A manifest heretic can't be Pope LordPhan. Now if we listen to the SSPX rhetoric, there is no doubt they consider these Popes to be manifest heretics according to any reasonable definition of the term. Yet the leadership courts their approval.

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and picking and choosing which teachings to follow and which Doctor to follow not based on what was always believed(Which is how the Catholic Church Operates) but based on what you want to believe. Very Protestant, very Jєωιѕн and very Masonic.

Puh. Utter nonsense.

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I am seriously suspecting that many Sede's are in fact just a different version of Cafeteria Catholics,

No - SSPXers are cafeteria Catholics who say they follow a Pope that they consider to be a heretic (and they don't follow him).

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you deny the Heirarchy

Who is your bishop? Do you accept his authority?

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and act as your own little independant theologians declaring people to be Catholic or not based on your own mediocre knowledge of Canon Law and/or High Theology.

What is Catholic and not Catholic is very simple to know when it comes to whether or not the Pope can be a heretic or not. Not simple for SSPX submissives though!

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That is NOT Catholic, due obedience IS Catholic

Then the SSPX has a TREMENDOUS problem. Especially since it's bishops have no sees - they have no authority. Not only that but they disobey their bishops.

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With supplied Jurisidiction you are asking for jurisdiction on the belief that there is none legitamately supplied and or there is a danger to your faith by attending the diocesan structure, but in your fairy-tale deluded mind you think yourselves as the masters of the clergy. If you ask for their jurisdiction and they supply it, you owe obedience I suggest you contemplate this.

If the Catholic hierarchy you claims is legitimate is the real hierarchy you must obey them. The SSPX, according to the man you claim is Pope, exercises no ministry in the Catholic Church. Obey your Pope. Or are you really Catholic? I think you're just a Protestant following a French/Swiss Protestant sect called the SSPX.

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I suggest you get off this high and mighty "I know more then the clergy"

I don't claim to know more than them. I won't submit to dishonest hypocrites and sellouts who are destroying what's left of the Catholic Church

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mindset and seek a better interior prayer-life, then perhaps you will gain some friends and support and THEN and ONLY then will the women that you seek find you.

I know many who are interested in me. Certainly there were many Catholic girls at the SSPX chapel interested in me. Until a lying priest unjustly kicked me out. I don't have any problems with attracting women. I have a problem with sick, dirty manipulative priests - the kind who tell girls not to say hello to men - not to talk to sedes, etc. Leaders of a sick cult - with their blind followers that they are systematically betraying.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2011, 06:17:34 AM »

Lord Phan, let it go.