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Offline Jehanne

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1)  Yes, absolutely.

2)  Yes, to a moral certitude.

3)  Probably, but the Triune God may, in the End, save everyone.

4)  Don't know -- 50/50 chance.

5)  Probably not; if there are in individuals in Hell, it is due to their own unrepentant mortal sin and not original sin.

6)  It is at least certain that God redeems everyone who has just original sin on their souls.

7)  Definitively not.

8)  Universal salvation is almost certainly true; it is just crazy to doubt it.

The above seems to be the "dividing line" between true Catholics and their modernistic counterparts.


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Do some people die in original sin alone and are lost for all Eternity.
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2015, 09:26:37 PM »
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  • Is this supposed to be a poll? My answer is:
    1) Yes, absolutely.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


    Offline Cantarella

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    Do some people die in original sin alone and are lost for all Eternity.
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2015, 09:33:11 PM »
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  • It is sad sign of our confusing times that Catholics have different "opinions" on this when it is a dogma of the Church that those who die with original sin alone are lost for all eternity.

    In fact, the Roman Catholic Church infallibly defined at the ecuмenical councils of Lyons and Florence, that the guilt of original sin suffices for damnation in Hell.

    Quote from: Council of Florence

    The souls of those who die in mortal sin or with original sin only, however, immediately descend to hell, to be punished moreover with disparate punishments. They will go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


    Quote from: Council of Lyons

    "The souls of those who die in mortal sin or with original sin only, however, immediately descend to Hell, yet to be punished with different punishments"

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Do some people die in original sin alone and are lost for all Eternity.
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2015, 11:01:21 PM »
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  • I agree with number 1

    1) Yes, absolutely.


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    Do some people die in original sin alone and are lost for all Eternity.
    « Reply #4 on: April 28, 2015, 01:40:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne

    The above seems to be the "dividing line" between true Catholics and their modernistic counterparts.


    Denying the full effects of Original Sin in the human race is part of the Pelagian Heresy.

    The question Pelagius made was this:

    "If all men had indeed inherited original sin, and therefore would suffer the loss of the Beatific Vision unless they embraced the One True Faith and were baptized, what of the vast numbers of men at the ends of the earth who had never heard of Christ? Would it not be unjust of God to send such men to hell?"

    Sounds familiar?

    We are dealing with the same neo-Pelagian heresy today.

    Here is the wise response by St. Jerome, main adversary of Pelagius:

    Quote from: St. Jerome

    “But you, who do you think you, a human being, are to answer back to God? Something that was made, can it say to its maker, why did you make me this shape? A potter surely has the right over his clay to make out of the same lump either a pot for special use or one for ordinary use (Romans 9:20-21). Accuse God of greater calumny by asking Him why He said, when Esau and Jacob were still in their mother’s womb: ‘I loved Jacob but I hated Esau. (Malachi 1:2,3)….’

    “It is true that neither fertile Britain, nor the people of Scotland, nor any of the barbar­ian nations as far as the ocean knew anything about Moses and His prophets. Why was it necessary that He come at the end of those times when numerous multitudes of people had already perished? Writing to the Romans, the blessed Apostle cautiously airs this question but he cannot answer it and leaves it to God’s knowl­edge. So, you should also deign to accept that there may be no answer to what you ask. To God be the power and He does not need you as His advocate.”[2]
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.