Author Topic: Divisions within Tradition - the how and the why (Read 34162 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 03, 2025, 04:19:38 PM »

The Inquisitors discuss the Traditional Movement, specifically its history, how it has changed over the years, and how fundamental human flaws such as Pride have caused various drama in the Traditional communities.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tsq2ISOLFYKY

WorldsAway · « **Reply #1 on:** **Yesterday** at 04:20:30 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on November 03, 2025, 04:19:38 PM

The Inquisitors discuss the Traditional Movement, specifically its history, how it has changed over the years, and how fundamental human flaws such as Pride have caused various drama in the Traditional communities.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tsq2ISOLFYKY

"All were given is that we are supposed to keep our faith during this crisis, and to make sure we're Catholic when it's all over"

That's a quote!

Great idea about compiling chapel histories, that is hard info to find..generally you'll read something like "___ Chapel was founded in 19xx by Fr. ____" ...Let's hear the good stuff, people! How did the local NOers react? Any confrontations with NO priests/bishops? What was the chapel community like? Any notable debates/arguments? Funny stories? Splits/divisions? So much will be lost to time

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** **Yesterday** at 04:50:57 PM »

In the early days at our independent chapel (before my time), they used to gather there to pray the Rosary together. Also in the early days, they didn't have 1 steady priest. The priest who Baptized me, for example, was not the same priest that I grew up with. Fr. Slupski didn't start saying Mass there till 1979 or so.

That chapel ties in with the history of TAN Books, because that chapel was founded by Thomas A. Nelson (R.I.P.)

I wasn't there when the chapel was founded, but the building was located in a residential neighborhood. And here's the strange part -- it used to be a bookstore. The huge, glass storefront windows were long-since boarded up and painted a solid burgundy color. It just looked like regular walls to me; the whole building was the same color. It had an apartment above, and a basement below. And there was a staircase in back that went from the basement, all the way up to the 2nd floor. I thought it was SO cozy and neat when I was a boy. Any house with split-offs and secret passageways is cool in my book.

Oh, and the street the chapel was on had *cobblestones* instead of asphalt or concrete. One of the only cobblestone streets in the whole town!

The basement had all the "extra" books and equipment we didn't need for regular chapel use. Including many full-sized (life sized) statues with minor damage. Tom Nelson got all kinds of goodies from churches and religious houses that went "out of business". Our chapel was fully equipped. There were a ton of old books in the basement on shelves as well; I thought that was like a cozy library. That was the room we held Catechism class in, too. Brings back memories.

St Giles · « **Reply #3 on:** **Yesterday** at 06:04:11 PM »

The old Angelus magazines should contain the startup story of at least a few chapels.

Mat183 · « **Reply #4 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:26:19 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on Yesterday at 04:50:57 PM

In the early days at our independent chapel (before my time), they used to gather there to pray the Rosary together. Also in the early days, they didn't have 1 steady priest. The priest who Baptized me, for example, was not the same priest that I grew up with. Fr. Slupski didn't start saying Mass there till 1979 or so.

That chapel ties in with the history of TAN Books, because that chapel was founded by Thomas A. Nelson (R.I.P.)

I wasn't there when the chapel was founded, but the building was located in a residential neighborhood. And here's the strange part -- it used to be a bookstore. The huge, glass storefront windows were long-since boarded up and painted a solid burgundy color. It just looked like regular walls to me; the whole building was the same color. It had an apartment above, and a basement below. And there was a staircase in back that went from the basement, all the way up to the 2nd floor. I thought it was SO cozy and neat when I was a boy. Any house with split-offs and secret passageways is cool in my book.

Oh, and the street the chapel was on had *cobblestones* instead of asphalt or concrete. One of the only cobblestone streets in the whole town!

The basement had all the "extra" books and equipment we didn't need for regular chapel use. Including many full-sized (life sized) statues with minor damage. Tom Nelson got all kinds of goodies from churches and religious houses that went "out of business". Our chapel was fully equipped. There were a ton of old books in the basement on shelves as well; I thought that was like a cozy library. That was the room we held Catechism class in, too. Brings back memories.

Tom asked the Rev. Brian Bovee, Institute of Christ the King (who was serving at St. Marys in Rockford, IL at the time) to review the manuscript of the book you see below and then had that priest pose for the cover shot which I am not mistaken was taken in said chapel. The year was 1997 or '98. The current TAN Books still sells that same book, but they have changed the cover.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:22:51 PM »

Quote from: Mat183 on Yesterday at 07:26:19 PM

Tom asked the Rev. Brian Bovee, Institute of Christ the King (who was serving at St. Marys in Rockford, IL at the time) to review the manuscript of the book you see below and then had that priest pose for the cover shot which I am not mistaken was taken in said chapel. The year was 1997 or '98. The current TAN Books still sells that same book, but they have changed the cover.

Yup, that's all true. That was in the TAN Books chapel though, not Tom's independent chapel started in the mid 1970s. Tom only set up a chapel in his massive warehouse on the East Side of town after he moved the business there (I was an employee at the time of the move).

Yeah -- the Institute of Christ the King is a whole other topic. They came to town in the 1990s, eventually getting control of an old church, St. Mary's which was located downtown. About 80% of the chapel left and started going to that Indult chapel. I was a teenager at the time; I kind of went to both of them. My cousin and I jokingly called the place "mega Mass" because everything was bigger & better *materially speaking*, including donuts after Mass which we never had experienced at our old chapel.

Talk about playing 1950s Catholic parish. It was a complete LARP. They sold "pizza kits" and raised money to buy stained glass windows. Crisis? What Crisis? Modernism? Doctrine? We're just a 1950's parish here, kid.

Fr. Bovee liked to joke a bit during his sermons. The other priest, Fr. Timothy Svea, was the one with the more "devout" or "holy" bearing. I attended a "vocational awareness" day at some rural location under the auspices of the Institute. Actually it might have been more than one day; I don't remember. Anyhow, at some point each of the boys (I was one of the oldest, about 23) got one-on-one time to talk with Fr. Svea. I remember how naive I was; I thought he was traditional! So I spoke of the New Mass as being the "abomination of desolation" as if that was as given (I have never read "The Great Sacrilege", but I'm sure I got much of its doctrine, as Tom Nelson was my catechism teacher). I'll never forget Fr. Svea's response: "Baloney!" and it totally took me off-guard. I thought he was "one of us" and was shocked to find out he was not. I also remember during this Vocational Awareness event watching the men convert a church from Novus Ordo to Trad mode. It was a bit disturbing.

Fr. Svea later was involved in a scandal. Yes, that kind of scandal. Ugh. It is all in the public record, so no, it's not detraction...
https://wausaupilotandreview.com/2023/03/27/former-wausau-priest-sentenced-to-prison-with-lifetime-supervision-for-serious-offenders/

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