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Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 09:54:52 AM »
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  • In addition to all the good feedback here, for what it is worth, Our Lady would never acknowledge or endorse anything intrinsically evil such as the Novus Ordo in anyway.

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 09:59:28 AM »
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    There you go. Found the link. It's right there in Canon Law.

    You do realize that the imprimatur that would be required comes from the very bishops that you believe are false Ordinaries, don't you?

    There are many other rules and regulations mentioned in Canon Law, such as only attending Mass in locations approved by the Ordinary. Are you a home aloner?

    All Masses, according to Canon Law, must be said upon an altar stone and on a consecrated altar, unless special permission is given by the Ordinary. Have you ever attended any of those illicit Masses that don't have such? 

    Oh, and every "traditional priest" is suspended a divinis, according to Canon Law, so you certainly would never approach any of them except in "danger of death" as Canon Law requires, right?

    I could go on for days. You are quite the stickler about breaking some rule, but very lenient about others. How about you be consistent.

    Regarding these messages, if you don't want to believe fine. But don't try to be the thought-police and call "canon law" on everyone else.


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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 10:24:13 AM »
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  • Yes, in my time between college & marriage, I encountered them multiple times per week in their various ministries, both attending and assisting. I was not Trad at the time and did not know the TLM existed.

    Before knowing who these messages were coming from, I said, "there's only one person in the MDM that I'd give the benefit of the doubt to," and it is this sister that is possibly receiving these messages.

    I'd say that if these messages are believed at all, there are 2 conclusions I'd reach:

    1) you wouldn't be able to judge the messages by the fruits of the messengers ... the MDM has been adamant about working within the N.O. structures, even cautioning me decades ago against Sedevacantism (ironic now that they themselves are Sede) ... they have also promoted "speaking in tongues" (the sort that helps no one and leaves everyone confused :facepalm:) and "resting in the spirit" ... they had at one point a priest offering the TLM and regularly introducing new souls to the Tridentine Mass, but decided that he was no longer a good fit for their community and parted ways.
    All of these points in #1 are old as my experience with them was 20+ years ago, however, they claim that these messages have always been given to them, predating even my experience with them, so they should have received more than a few messages about their own ministry.

    2) If you're already Trad, you'd do better to read a single traditional TAN book than read 100 of these messages.

    I do believe that they think the messages are real.

    Another random bit of info. One of the projects I assisted them with was a committee that worked on raising money to purchase their property. This would allow them to build and subsequently accept new vocations that they previously had no room to accommodate. 20+ years on that property now, and they're no bigger than they were then -- one priest and 3-5 mixed m/f religious. Compare that to the growth of typical Traditional communities that have a resident priest and the difference speaks for itself.

    Well, just like them, you were confused at one time. We all were (er...are). Matthew himself says that the Crisis of the Church is all "a mystery." But of course he knew it was "a mystery" before anyone else did...as a "5 year old." Would that we all were as clairvoyant and wise as old Matthew.

    I believe the locutions to the Sister are authentic. They describe exactly what is going on with the Church right now. And the idea that "Trads" completely "get it," is not true. She is saying that the Chair of Peter was usurped by Bergoglio, which is precisely what has happened.

    In the meantime, "Trads" can't decide if the key event happened in 1958 or 1962 or was it just that JPII as the Assisi Antichrist heretic or that the Siri theory explains it all or maybe its none of those things since the Neo-SSPX loves the favors of the "Pope" that they call a "heretic" and they have great schools for the kiddos. In other words, there is confusion everywhere.

    I suggest you read the messages carefully and consider the persecution the community is going through over their publication. They get no benefit from doing what they are doing.

    Offline Angelus

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 10:45:34 AM »
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  • AGAIN -- I guess I have to repeat myself -- It's not about my "hurt feelings" that Our Lady didn't mention my chapel or my bishop.
    It's about her ignoring the WHOLE of Tradition (currently 55+ years old) and making a big deal about (coming down from heaven), and wasting time saying things that SO MANY TRADS would find "old hat". Why would Our Blessed Mother do this? No, not just "why" but "how"? Even I couldn't get excited about or get off my butt to say such "obvious" things. How much more so, Our Blessed Mother who is WELL aware of where 99.9% of her faithful children go to Mass (in the Traditional movement)?

    Side note: I wonder how old the Crisis in the Church is, according to these apparitions? According to the alleged seer of the M.D.M.? I bet it doesn't include the reign of Pope "saint" JP2. I bet they don't believe the See was vacant during his reign either.

    I'll tell you this: It's INSANE to say there's a Crisis in the Church, almost exactly the same (or worse) than Traditional Catholics believe AND YET to say there was no Crisis before/during the reign of Pope John Paul II. There is NOTHING that happened after the death of JP2 to justify the "start" of a Crisis like the Church is experiencing now. That is absolutely insane.

    Nothing has changed recently. The Crisis has been fundamentally the same since 1970. Let's keep that in mind as well. Popes Francis, Leo have changed *nothing*. Whatever the solution to the Crisis (and Pope Question) turns out to be, I can almost guarantee you the final status of Pope Paul VI and JP2 will be the same as the status of Popes Francis and Leo. Nothing *fundamental* has changed during the whole post-Vatican II era.

    It's nothing against *you* or any new Trads. God bless you for discovering the Truth. But with all due respect, Our Lady isn't a new Trad. She can't act surprised about your new blessing/gift (the Truth, Tradition) because she bought the gift. Know what I mean? She's too in love with God and the Truth to "pretend" to be surprised or ignorant about something.

    Have you considered that Our Lady doesn't speak to Trads because maybe they don't need to be warned about the danger they are in by following a false Pope leading them to hell? The Novus Ordos have a perverse conception of false obedience that prevents them from fleeing that insanity. Our Lady is speaking to them because they have no other source of the truth.

    Trads should be getting their graces, hopefully, through the reception of valid Sacraments. A benefit that the Novus Ordos do not have.

    And the Crisis has not been fundamentally the same since 1970. Bergoglio and Prevost are the False Prophet/Antichrist pair warned about as the Beast from the Sea and the Beast from the Earth in the Apocalypse. Jesus is coming back in the near future. But we likely have a few years before the Second Coming. A lot will happen in that time. The Apocalypse is primarily about the battle between the Remnant Church and the Counterfeit Church. Yes, it will have geopolitical repercussions, but the battle that matters most is the spiritual battle.

    You, and other "ole timers," think you've been there and done that. This is because you are not aware that the Scriptural prophecies and private revelations are occurring right now. You are a naysayer, unless it has to do with material prepping and manly-man stuff.

    Our Lady referenced Daniel chapter 9 in the Third Secret (the true one with verified handwriting of Sr. Lucia from the TIA website). In that She said the City (Rome) will be destroyed after 69 Feasts of "Weeks." And she said at La Salette that Rome would lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist. Synodality is the teaching of the Antichrist. It is here now. Vatican II was the seed, the precursor. The Novus Ordo is the counterfeit "second celebration" warned about by Marie Julie Jahenny. But the TLM was still around if you could find it. It is now in the process of being completely suppressed.

    The 70 year period that the Third Secret announced, starting in 1959, is almost up. As a Trad, you should be rejoicing and saying "Come Lord Jesus" instead of poo-pooing the people announcing that the Savior Jesus and Mother Mary will soon come to deliver us from these torturous apostates.

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 11:07:09 AM »
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  • You do realize that the imprimatur that would be required comes from the very bishops that you believe are false Ordinaries, don't you?

    There are many other rules and regulations mentioned in Canon Law, such as only attending Mass in locations approved by the Ordinary. Are you a home aloner?

    All Masses, according to Canon Law, must be said upon an altar stone and on a consecrated altar, unless special permission is given by the Ordinary. Have you ever attended any of those illicit Masses that don't have such?

    Oh, and every "traditional priest" is suspended a divinis, according to Canon Law, so you certainly would never approach any of them except in "danger of death" as Canon Law requires, right?

    I could go on for days. You are quite the stickler about breaking some rule, but very lenient about others. How about you be consistent.

    Regarding these messages, if you don't want to believe fine. But don't try to be the thought-police and call "canon law" on everyone else.
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    The highest law is the salvation of souls. So we continue to perform the religious functions necessary to salvation such as offering Mass and receiving the sacraments, since the law would not intend to deprive people of those means of grace in our current situation.

    However, the laws prohibiting the spread or possession of harmful books exist for the common good, and protect the faithful, so they must be observed. It would actually cause harm to souls to not follow the rules of forbidden books.

    Private revelations are not a necessary religious function that is necessary to salvation such as attending Mass or receiving the sacraments, since the Church has already given us all the teachings we need to save our souls in her magisterium and in the approved writings of saints and theologians. That vast body of literature contains more than enough to make anyone a saint if he reads it and puts it into practice. There is no need for anything to be added to that, especially without the guarantee of the Church that it is free from error.


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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 12:01:01 PM »
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    The highest law is the salvation of souls. So we continue to perform the religious functions necessary to salvation such as offering Mass and receiving the sacraments, since the law would not intend to deprive people of those means of grace in our current situation.

    However, the laws prohibiting the spread or possession of harmful books exist for the common good, and protect the faithful, so they must be observed. It would actually cause harm to souls to not follow the rules of forbidden books.

    Private revelations are not a necessary religious function that is necessary to salvation such as attending Mass or receiving the sacraments, since the Church has already given us all the teachings we need to save our souls in her magisterium and in the approved writings of saints and theologians. That vast body of literature contains more than enough to make anyone a saint if he reads it and puts it into practice. There is no need for anything to be added to that, especially without the guarantee of the Church that it is free from error.

    The Highest Law is to listen to God. By listening and heeding God, we save our souls. If messengers from Heaven speak to us, we better be careful not to "despise prophecy" as St. Paul teaches us. Because if we do despise the messages of Heaven, we might fall into error from our stubbornness and hard-heartedness.

    If the messages agree with Catholic doctrine and other approved private revelations in their substance, then there is no danger in reading or propagating those particular messages. So, one can rationally posit that, were we in normal times with Ordinaries who supported true Catholic doctrine, then those messages, which do not conflict with Catholic doctrine, would receive an imprimatur.

    And remember that seers such as St. Bernadette and the La Salette and Fatima children were persecuted by local authorities in the Catholic Church before the miracles occurred proving the truth of those messages. So, be patient. The miracles will be coming soon. Don't shoot the messenger when the message agrees fundamentally with what Roman Catholics are taught.

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 02:35:03 PM »
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  • Have you considered that Our Lady doesn't speak to Trads because maybe they don't need to be warned about the danger they are in by following a false Pope leading them to hell? The Novus Ordos have a perverse conception of false obedience that prevents them from fleeing that insanity. Our Lady is speaking to them because they have no other source of the truth.

    Trads should be getting their graces, hopefully, through the reception of valid Sacraments. A benefit that the Novus Ordos do not have.

    And the Crisis has not been fundamentally the same since 1970. Bergoglio and Prevost are the False Prophet/Antichrist pair warned about as the Beast from the Sea and the Beast from the Earth in the Apocalypse. Jesus is coming back in the near future. But we likely have a few years before the Second Coming. A lot will happen in that time. The Apocalypse is primarily about the battle between the Remnant Church and the Counterfeit Church. Yes, it will have geopolitical repercussions, but the battle that matters most is the spiritual battle.

    You, and other "ole timers," think you've been there and done that. This is because you are not aware that the Scriptural prophecies and private revelations are occurring right now. You are a naysayer, unless it has to do with material prepping and manly-man stuff.

    Our Lady referenced Daniel chapter 9 in the Third Secret (the true one with verified handwriting of Sr. Lucia from the TIA website). In that She said the City (Rome) will be destroyed after 69 Feasts of "Weeks." And she said at La Salette that Rome would lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist. Synodality is the teaching of the Antichrist. It is here now. Vatican II was the seed, the precursor. The Novus Ordo is the counterfeit "second celebration" warned about by Marie Julie Jahenny. But the TLM was still around if you could find it. It is now in the process of being completely suppressed.

    The 70 year period that the Third Secret announced, starting in 1959, is almost up. As a Trad, you should be rejoicing and saying "Come Lord Jesus" instead of poo-pooing the people announcing that the Savior Jesus and Mother Mary will soon come to deliver us from these torturous apostates.
    Angelus,

    I think you make good points, (lots of good points here from all sides but I think you are closer to mark).

    In regards to DMM and the nun's alleged locutions, I definitely think there is something more to it as well. I'll continue to watch, ponder, and pray.

    Here are two of the most terrifying verses (to me at least) in all of Holy Scripture:

    "And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.)
    But with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the desert." 1 Cor. 10: v. 4-5

    And

    "All these things have I considered in my heart, that I might carefully understand them: there are just men and wise men, and their works are in the hand of God: and yet man knoweth not whether he be worthy of love, or hatred." Ecc. 9:1

    All who claim to be Catholic (myself included) should ponder and pray over these often...

    At some point I also wanted to talk with you about the parallels between the time of the Two Kingdoms and now. And how Vatican II is pre-figured perhaps by the Assyrians. You often add much good to the conversation.

    Thank you. God bless you.


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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 02:41:23 PM »
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  • Angelus,

    I think you make good points, (lots of good points here from all sides but I think you are closer to mark).

    In regards to DMM and the nun's alleged locutions, I definitely think there is something more to it as well. I'll continue to watch, ponder, and pray.

    Here are two of the most terrifying verses (to me at least) in all of Holy Scripture:

    "And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.)
    But with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the desert." 1 Cor. 10: v. 4-5

    And

    "All these things have I considered in my heart, that I might carefully understand them: there are just men and wise men, and their works are in the hand of God: and yet man knoweth not whether he be worthy of love, or hatred." Ecc. 9:1

    All who claim to be Catholic (myself included) should ponder and pray over these often...

    At some point I also wanted to talk with you about the parallels between the time of the Two Kingdoms and now. And how Vatican II is pre-figured perhaps by the Assyrians. You often add much good to the conversation.

    Thank you. God bless you.



    Agreed on what you said about the locutions and the verses. 

    Could you start a different thread on the other topic? I would like to discuss that. I was recently re-reading Isaiah and the Assyrians are discussed there. 


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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 03:17:42 PM »
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  •  I bet it doesn't include the reign of Pope "saint" JP2. I bet they don't believe the See was vacant during his reign either.
    100% true. The messages, despite having received them for decades, only become critical of the Pope with Francis. That's why the MDM say they're "not sedevacantist". :facepalm:

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #39 on: Today at 08:16:32 AM »
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  • And the Crisis has not been fundamentally the same since 1970. Bergoglio and Prevost are the False Prophet/Antichrist pair warned about as the Beast from the Sea and the Beast from the Earth in the Apocalypse. Jesus is coming back in the near future. But we likely have a few years before the Second Coming. A lot will happen in that time. The Apocalypse is primarily about the battle between the Remnant Church and the Counterfeit Church. Yes, it will have geopolitical repercussions, but the battle that matters most is the spiritual battle.

    You, and other "ole timers," think you've been there and done that. This is because you are not aware that the Scriptural prophecies and private revelations are occurring right now.

    The 70 year period that the Third Secret announced, starting in 1959, is almost up. As a Trad, you should be rejoicing and saying "Come Lord Jesus" instead of poo-pooing the people announcing that the Savior Jesus and Mother Mary will soon come to deliver us from these torturous apostates.

    So to prove you wrong, all a person would have to do is show the *complete continuity* of the post-Vatican II popes. The complete agreement of ALL the post-V2 popes with the Conciliar Church and the Conciliar programme. I still think it's crazy to suggest that anything fundamental or major has "happened" since the cataclysm of Vatican II. You do realize your 2 "antipopes" were completely of the same thinking, had the same Modernism, and were 100% on the same page as Paul VI, JP1, JP2, and Benedict XVI, right?
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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #40 on: Today at 09:06:01 AM »
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  • So to prove you wrong, all a person would have to do is show the *complete continuity* of the post-Vatican II popes. The complete agreement of ALL the post-V2 popes with the Conciliar Church and the Conciliar programme. I still think it's crazy to suggest that anything fundamental or major has "happened" since the cataclysm of Vatican II. You do realize your 2 "antipopes" were completely of the same thinking, had the same Modernism, and were 100% on the same page as Paul VI, JP1, JP2, and Benedict XVI, right?

    Yeah, those guys are a lost cause, slavishly following Fr.(?) Kramer on the matter.  Kramer started to hold Bergoglio a heretic AntiPope when the latter made some statements directly contradicting the Council of Florence on the question of whether the Old Covenant was still salvific for the Jews.  But then I pointed out that Ratzinger said the same things (provided citations) and then also Wojtyla (who actually invented that particular position), but was told that those guys didn't "really mean it", i.e. they were just material heretics, whereas Begoglio really meant it and was therefore an Anti-Pope.  "Cardinal" Kasper, who knew both Ratzinger and Bergoglio well, said that the substance of their theology was the same, just that they had different ways to present it.  But it's just utterly idiotic to think that the Crisis started with Bergoglio.  Tell that to those of us who were attending Masses in hotel conference rooms in the 1980s.

    But that's the narrative that makes them feel good, where they can reject Bergoglio, rejecting him while not becoming fully sedevacantist (which would bother their sensibilities).  So they come up with this feel-good compromise position.


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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #41 on: Today at 09:20:16 AM »
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  • Angelus, you repeatedly said that Francis was the Antichrist and his hospital death was fake, from which he would resurrect.  Now, you say he’s the false prophet.  :facepalm:

    Come on, man.  It’s fun to predict what might happen, but have some INTEGRITY to admit when you’re HORRIBLY wrong.  And also, chill out about it.  

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #42 on: Today at 09:44:40 AM »
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  • Angelus, you repeatedly said that Francis was the Antichrist and his hospital death was fake, from which he would resurrect.  Now, you say he’s the false prophet.  :facepalm:

    Come on, man.  It’s fun to predict what might happen, but have some INTEGRITY to admit when you’re HORRIBLY wrong.  And also, chill out about it. 

    Bergoglio and Prevost are of the same mind. You will see much more from them in the near future. In fact, you should be able to see it already. In the Apocalypse, St. John describes them as "the beast from the Sea" and "the beast from the earth." It is the second beast that causes deceived Catholics to "worship" the first beast, who appears to die but actually lives.

    Except for indentifying the names of the antipopes, this schema is not mine. The schema is found in Apocalypse 13 and is confirmed by many Fathers and Doctors of the Church. The False Prophet and Antichrist are antipopes who follow one after the other other. They are the two worm-ridden "popes" of Emmerich. 

    You can ignore what I say if you want. We will see what happens very soon.

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
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  • So to prove you wrong, all a person would have to do is show the *complete continuity* of the post-Vatican II popes. The complete agreement of ALL the post-V2 popes with the Conciliar Church and the Conciliar programme. I still think it's crazy to suggest that anything fundamental or major has "happened" since the cataclysm of Vatican II. You do realize your 2 "antipopes" were completely of the same thinking, had the same Modernism, and were 100% on the same page as Paul VI, JP1, JP2, and Benedict XVI, right?

    Synodality is the perfection of the errors that were introduced with ambiguous language in the docuмents of Vatican II. Those errors were pushed by a cabal inside the Vatican that fought their opponents many of who were also inside the Vatican. Not everyone in the Vatican during those years was a heretic. 

    The Crisis in the Church is a process. It has worsened over time. The heresies and more open and deeper. The strategy it uses is frog-boiling. There was no Pachamama in the 1960s. There was no statement in the 1960s that "God wills the diversity of religions." No Pope before the current claimant gave the Muslims a permanent prayer room in the Vatican library. No pope before Bergoglio promulgated doctrine saying that divorced and remarried Catholics could receive Holy Communion. No pope before Bergoglio mandated blessings for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples.

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    Re: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"?
    « Reply #44 on: Today at 09:59:41 AM »
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  • Bergoglio and Prevost are of the same mind. You will see much more from them in the near future. In fact, you should be able to see it already.

    Agreed. Even though the other's (Roncalli thru Ratzinger) were all raging modernists, wrecking the structures of the Church and besmirching Catholicism like humanity has never witnessed, these last two have kicked the idol worship into overdrive, IMO. We are only like 6 months into Bobby boy's "reign" and he is Francis, Ratizinger, Woytija, and "good Pope John" all rolled into one! 

    Right before Francis kicked it, he allowed/approved of the Mayan rite (which literally contains paganism). Now this is nothing new, as this has also happened in the African and Indian Novus Ordo rites under the others as well. Man-centered (idol) worship is baked into the cake of the Novus Ordo, but when you see the actual idols peek out it becomes impossible for anyone to deny. It is rumored that Bobby will leave his mark and soon alter the Novus Ordo further (as if that was even necessary). 

    I think of it all as God slowly waking up more and more people using whatever means He deems necessary so as to not overwhelm them all at once. He can give them the grace to accept it all at once (if they have more humility - which also comes from Him) Or, the may "fight" with God and resist the truth simply because they have been raised to think such things could never happen and they have been misled with poor catechesis. So, maybe these DMM come from God, maybe not. Maybe they are just the inner musings of this nun "fighting" with God. Either way good for them, better to get clear of the Novus Ordo. Vigano seems to come at it intellectually, the nun is coming at it more emotionally, maybe God is just "working" with them in that way that is best for them to begin/continue to wake up. But none of what follows above gives ANY trads a monopoly on the total truth of the Crisis, regardless of how long or hard they think they have been at it, in a manner that is pleasing to God. Because the reality is, THEY MAY NOT BE PLEASING GOD, that is the whole point behind me posting the Ecc. quote. 


    "All these things have I considered in my heart, that I might carefully understand them: there are just men and wise men, and their works are in the hand of God: and yet man knoweth not whether he be worthy of loveor hatred." Ecc. 9:1