Author Topic: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"? (Read 57941 times)

Miseremini · « **Reply #15 on:** October 29, 2025, 02:38:31 PM »

Is no one concerned that we are supposedly receiving messages from God the Father???
He communicated with Adam, Moses and the last time when He said, "This is my beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him". No church approved apparitions included God the Father.
Any previous communications from the Father have been through His messengers, His Angels, prior to the Resurrection. Do we even have an account of Him communicating directly with Mary while she was alive?

Since the Resurrection Jesus has communicated with us, along with Mary and sometimes saints as He offered assistance to His Church.

Why, at this time would God the Father start to converse with us when He had given authority to His Son? Has Jesus failed in His mission? Is Jesus otherwise occupied? Is the Father taking back the authority He gave His Son?

We know the devil has impersonated Our Blessed Mother, probably Jesus too, is he now so bold as to impersonate the Father to get us to believe some falsehood? His time is running out so it shouldn't be a surprise that he'd pull out all the stops in a last ditch effort to win souls for hell.

I've read a couple of these messages supposedly from the Father and it appears He is taking over as Head of the Church from Jesus. Yes, I know the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One, but the Church has also defined God as the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier with specific roles and it seems in these messages that the Father is taking over for the Redeemer.

Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but through Me"....so why would the Father contradict/bypass Him and start conversing directly? Could He...Yes....would He.. I can't see it

Am I missing something?

Matthew · « **Reply #16 on:** October 29, 2025, 08:48:25 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini on October 29, 2025, 02:38:31 PM

Is no one concerned that we are supposedly receiving messages from God the Father???
He communicated with Adam, Moses and the last time when He said, "This is my beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him". No church approved apparitions included God the Father.
Any previous communications from the Father have been through His messengers, His Angels, prior to the Resurrection. Do we even have an account of Him communicating directly with Mary while she was alive?

Since the Resurrection Jesus has communicated with us, along with Mary and sometimes saints as He offered assistance to His Church.

Why, at this time would God the Father start to converse with us when He had given authority to His Son? Has Jesus failed in His mission? Is Jesus otherwise occupied? Is the Father taking back the authority He gave His Son?

We know the devil has impersonated Our Blessed Mother, probably Jesus too, is he now so bold as to impersonate the Father to get us to believe some falsehood? His time is running out so it shouldn't be a surprise that he'd pull out all the stops in a last ditch effort to win souls for hell.

I've read a couple of these messages supposedly from the Father and it appears He is taking over as Head of the Church from Jesus. Yes, I know the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One, but the Church has also defined God as the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier with specific roles and it seems in these messages that the Father is taking over for the Redeemer.

Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father but through Me"....so why would the Father contradict/bypass Him and start conversing directly? Could He...Yes....would He.. I can't see it

Am I missing something?

Interesting. I would have thought the same thing, but I haven't been following these apparitions. And for good reason, I believe.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2025, 08:54:08 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on October 29, 2025, 12:01:25 PM

So this is kind of a false dichotomy here, where you are falsely equating that because something is NOT mentioned it invalidates the veracity of the messenger. "Either validate the traditional movement or it is completely false!"

It's not a small detail. The allegation is that Our Lady came down to state obvious facts that any CathInfo member, or thousands of Trads over the past 55 years, could have said!
And that Our Lady would be all excited (in 2025) to personally reveal to the world that there is *drumroll* a Crisis in the Church!

As if!

Our Lady's mind on the subject has *got* to be closer to that of an O.G. Trad vs. some newbie that just found Tradition (as these Divine Mercy religious for example).

But as I said, she makes the Trad Movement pioneers look like newbies. She has an even higher perspective on Church history. She would NOT be impressed or excited about the existence of a Crisis. Heck, I'm not excited about it, it's old hat for me, and I've only been a Trad over age 5 for about 4 decades.

Plenty of average, ignorant people discover Tradition every day; some of them act "above it all" and say things like "Leo is not the Pope...but hey, don't label me Sedevacantist! I repudiate those guys too!" as if they're somehow "above it all". Ridiculous.

They act like this hasn't been a "thing" for the past 55 years, and that they are so special they can't be placed in ANY of the umpteen pre-existing categories which were created FOR A REASON.

Here is my response to such "special" new-arrivals:
If you've discovered the Crisis, good for you. Welcome to the club. But don't try to pretend you're special or first in line. The FACT is that you're late to the party. Get some humility, and offer up thanksgiving to God for your recent enlightenment.

Yeti · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:05:29 PM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on October 29, 2025, 09:38:17 AM

it doesn't necessarily follow that these messages aren't authentic just because any particular group(s) of trads are or are not mentioned.

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This is backwards. These messages must be considered fake until the Church approves them.

This came up recently on another thread. There are general laws of the Church that forbid various categories of books, and one of them is books that promote new visions, devotions or revelations. Those books are automatically on the Index of Forbidden Books, which Catholics are forbidden even to possess.

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:13:09 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 29, 2025, 08:54:08 PM

Get some humility, and offer up thanksgiving to God

Amen.
I'll keep

for your good work Matthew.

Yeti · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on October 29, 2025, 09:05:29 PM

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This came up recently on another thread.

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There you go. Found the link. It's right there in Canon Law.

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #21 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:16:31 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 29, 2025, 08:54:08 PM

Plenty of average, ignorant people discover Tradition every day; some of them act "above it all" and say things like "Leo is not the Pope...but hey, don't label me Sedevacantist! I repudiate those guys too!" as if they're somehow "above it all". Ridiculous.

I have witnessed many such come and go over the years. It really is quite sad. I can honestly say I never thought of myself as anything other than just a Catholic. All the high and mighty attitudes really do make us all look the fool.

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #22 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:25:51 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on October 29, 2025, 09:15:25 PM

There you go. Found the link. It's right there in Canon Law.

It is true, there are many things being written and published by millions of purported Catholics that really have no basis according to the 1917 code many of them probably found through links even in this blog somewhere. I guess we have to hope that without that guidance coming from the Pope we will have to trust Holy Ghost now, which is actually disgustingly what Montini claimed when he got rid of the Index - what a sham! It is an utter travesty and another tell of the satanic machinations behind all the change. I suppose that is just old news around here though eh? Either way, back to the lurk I go then. God bless.

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #23 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:35:58 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 29, 2025, 08:54:08 PM

It's not a small detail. The allegation is that Our Lady came down to state obvious facts that any CathInfo member, or thousands of Trads over the past 55 years, could have said!
And that Our Lady would be all excited (in 2025) to personally reveal to the world that there is *drumroll* a Crisis in the Church!

As if!

Our Lady's mind on the subject has *got* to be closer to that of an O.G. Trad vs. some newbie that just found Tradition (as these Divine Mercy religious for example).

Well, maybe everyone isn't as blessed as either you nor I and God is revealing things to them at a different place because theze are crazee times man.

Or maybe the nun made it all up!

Or maybe its the devil?

Ohhhh that is interesting, say it is the devil then I wonder what would be his game to keep telling them "He is not Mine" and "the throne of Peter is usurped". That would be a juicy little slip if true, or maybe it is a lie...Meant for what purpose I wonder...

Thanks Matthew!

SkidRowCatholic · « **Reply #24 on:** October 29, 2025, 09:45:34 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on October 29, 2025, 09:05:29 PM

~~This is backwards.~~ These messages must be considered fake until the Church approves them.

Agreed. I think you missed the mark. I was simply saying that IF no trad clergy from Matthews's chapel were named because of the close proximity to the nun who receives the alleged inner locutions that that in itself would be no clear sign of their truth or falsehood. Everything is reduced to private discernment in these matters, so some of the above criticisms are valid and I am still very much suspicious of their veracity. But I am also open to the idea that God is working in other ways that I can't possibly even imagine.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2025, 02:11:26 AM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on October 29, 2025, 07:52:33 AM

Does anyone know these people or have experience dealing with them?

Yes, in my time between college & marriage, I encountered them multiple times per week in their various ministries, both attending and assisting. I was not Trad at the time and did not know the TLM existed.

Before knowing who these messages were coming from, I said, "there's only one person in the MDM that I'd give the benefit of the doubt to," and it is this sister that is possibly receiving these messages.

I'd say that if these messages are believed at all, there are 2 conclusions I'd reach:

1) you wouldn't be able to judge the messages by the fruits of the messengers ... the MDM has been adamant about working within the N.O. structures, even cautioning me decades ago against Sedevacantism (ironic now that they themselves are Sede) ... they have also promoted "speaking in tongues" (the sort that helps no one and leaves everyone confused

) and "resting in the spirit" ... they had at one point a priest offering the TLM and regularly introducing new souls to the Tridentine Mass, but decided that he was no longer a good fit for their community and parted ways.
All of these points in #1 are old as my experience with them was 20+ years ago, however, they claim that these messages have always been given to them, predating even my experience with them, so they should have received more than a few messages about their own ministry.

2) If you're already Trad, you'd do better to read a single traditional TAN book than read 100 of these messages.

I do believe that they think the messages are real.

Another random bit of info. One of the projects I assisted them with was a committee that worked on raising money to purchase their property. This would allow them to build and subsequently accept new vocations that they previously had no room to accommodate. 20+ years on that property now, and they're no bigger than they were then -- one priest and 3-5 mixed m/f religious. Compare that to the growth of typical Traditional communities that have a resident priest and the difference speaks for itself.

Stubborn · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2025, 05:17:41 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 29, 2025, 09:12:49 AM

There are *multiple* past threads on this topic, but I can't find them because CathInfo is such a busy forum.

I will say, however, that I'm super-suspicious that Our Lady wouldn't mention her servant Bp Zendejas, the other Resistance bishops, the traditional Dominicans in Avrille, or St. Dominic's Chapel in Seguin -- which is quite close to the Mission of Divine Mercy location, geographically speaking. They *must* be quite present in her maternal heart, and yet these "apparitions" seem to totally ignore things that shouldn't be ignored -- like the pre-existing, long-running Traditional Movement for starters.

It's like the Mission of Divine Mercy is discovering something, so they assume everyone is just discovering it. And they put words into Our Lady's mouth that SHE ALSO could possibly pretend/act like it's all new. But no -- this awareness of the Crisis in the Church, this Traditional Movement, has been going on for 55 years. Our Lady would certainly be of that "perspective" on it.

Our Lady, possessing the Beatific Vision, is going to be 100% plugged in to God's Reality and God's Truth. Even *we* know the objective reality of the Crisis in the Church, and the 55 year-long movement to keep the Faith and reject the Conciliar Church. Well before the first "apparition" to the Mission of Divine Mercy sister, there have been hundreds of priests and bishops fighting the good fight in the world of Tradition. This is not news or something novel to Our Blessed Mother.

Which is why I have a hard time believing the messages are authentic/from heaven.

See, humans are aloof from each other for a hundred reasons: sectarianism, animosity, jealousy, competition, ambition, disagreements, grudges, laziness -- but Our Lady doesn't work that way. Our Lady would be wanting her Children and faithful servants to get together, work together, strengthen each other, socialize with each other, etc.

5 stars!

Stubborn · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2025, 05:20:22 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 29, 2025, 11:47:16 AM

Could Our Lady talk and sound like a newcomer to Tradition? I seriously doubt it. Come on!

Our Lady doesn't just go back to +Lefebvre, +De Castro Mayer, +Williamson, Fr. Hesse, Tom Nelson, and other pioneers of the Trad movement -- she is even familiar with the Council of Trent, and all of Church History!
Imagine the big picture understanding that Our Lady must have of the Crisis.

Nailed it!

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2025, 08:20:03 AM »

Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on October 29, 2025, 09:45:34 PM

Agreed. I think you missed the mark. I was simply saying that IF no trad clergy from Matthews's chapel were named because of the close proximity to the nun who receives the alleged inner locutions that that in itself would be no clear sign of their truth or falsehood. Everything is reduced to private discernment in these matters, so some of the above criticisms are valid and I am still very much suspicious of their veracity. But I am also open to the idea that God is working in other ways that I can't possibly even imagine.

AGAIN -- I guess I have to repeat myself -- It's not about my "hurt feelings" that Our Lady didn't mention my chapel or my bishop.
It's about her ignoring the WHOLE of Tradition (currently 55+ years old) and making a big deal about (coming down from heaven), and wasting time saying things that SO MANY TRADS would find "old hat". Why would Our Blessed Mother do this? No, not just "why" but "how"? Even I couldn't get excited about or get off my butt to say such "obvious" things. How much more so, Our Blessed Mother who is WELL aware of where 99.9% of her faithful children go to Mass (in the Traditional movement)?

Side note: I wonder how old the Crisis in the Church is, according to these apparitions? According to the alleged seer of the M.D.M.? I bet it doesn't include the reign of Pope "saint" JP2. I bet they don't believe the See was vacant during his reign either.

I'll tell you this: It's INSANE to say there's a Crisis in the Church, almost exactly the same (or worse) than Traditional Catholics believe AND YET to say there was no Crisis before/during the reign of Pope John Paul II. There is NOTHING that happened after the death of JP2 to justify the "start" of a Crisis like the Church is experiencing now. That is absolutely insane.

Nothing has changed recently. The Crisis has been fundamentally the same since 1970. Let's keep that in mind as well. Popes Francis, Leo have changed *nothing*. Whatever the solution to the Crisis (and Pope Question) turns out to be, I can almost guarantee you the final status of Pope Paul VI and JP2 will be the same as the status of Popes Francis and Leo. Nothing *fundamental* has changed during the whole post-Vatican II era.

It's nothing against *you* or any new Trads. God bless you for discovering the Truth. But with all due respect, Our Lady isn't a new Trad. She can't act surprised about your new blessing/gift (the Truth, Tradition) because she bought the gift. Know what I mean? She's too in love with God and the Truth to "pretend" to be surprised or ignorant about something.

Matthew · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2025, 08:24:35 AM »

Another point: Our Lady isn't interested in starting another "Trad group" aloof from all the others.

Why wouldn't Our Lady bless some existing Trad group instead? It's not like her "message" isn't already out there, on thousands of websites, books, the mouths of hundreds of priests and dozens of bishops, etc. Why not bless one of them, if it's God's will to aggrandize or grow Tradition?

Only if Our Lady wanted "a bit more division" would she go this route. "Let's tell these people there's a Crisis, but completely pretend as if there is no existing movement that knows these things, or is reacting to them. That way, they'll act like they discovered and personally direct their new "Traditional" movement -- assuring they'll never work with the existing Traditional movement. Because we wouldn't want that!"

That's like believing God would appear to someone and start a church (let's say, identical with the doctrines and practices of the Catholic Church), totally ignoring the Church He founded 2,000 years ago. The only possible outcome would be "one more sect in the world" -- and who would ever suggest God likes division and sects?

Seriously -- that would be mental.

Author Topic: Divine Mercy Mission Texas "Messages"? (Read 57941 times)

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