Author Topic: Divine Mercy Devotion (Read 12624 times)

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2013, 06:19:02 PM »

Pope Pius XII believed in and defended The Divine Mercy.

If anyone is concerned that Antipope John XXIII banned it, do not worry.
It was Antipope John XXIII who did that.
So it is invalid, because he was an Antipope, and therefore he had no Authority.
He did it (invalidly) in 1959.
No additions to the Index after the death of Pope Pius XII in A.D. 1958 are valid.
So it does not matter at all.
No Sede or traditional Catholic should care about the invalid actions of Antipope John XXIII.
And if anyone mistakenly thinks that John XXIII was a valid Pope, they probably also think that Paul VI was Pope.

Paul VI lifted the banning of The Divine Mercy.

If you believe that John XXIII was a real Pope, then you probably also believe that Paul VI and John Paul II were real Popes.
Paul VI lifted the bannings of The Divine Mercy:

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On June 30, 1978, The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (A.A.S. page 350) published a "Notification" signed April 15, 1978, by His Eminence Franjo Cardinal Seper, Prefect, and Archbishop Jerome Hamer, O.P., Secretary. It is as follows:

From various places, especially from Poland, even proceeding from competent authority, it has been asked whether the prohibitions contained in the "Notification" of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, published in the Acts of the Apostolic See, in the year 1959, p. 271, regarding the devotion to The Divine Mercy in the forms proposed by Sister Faustina Kowalska, must be regarded as still in force.

This Sacred Congregation, having now in possession the many original docuмents, unknown in 1959; having taken into consideration the profoundly changed circuмstances, and having taken into account the opinion of many Polish Ordinaries, declares no longer binding the prohibitions contained in the quoted "Notification." On July 12, 1979, in response to the Superior General of the Congregation of Marians of the Immaculate Conception of the B.V.M., who in the name of the Provincial Superior of the American Province of St. Stanislaus Kostka, of said Congregation, had asked for an authoritative explanation of the scope of the text in the "Notification" of 1978, rescinding the prohibitions to spread the devotion to The Divine Mercy proposed by Sister Faustina Kowalska, the Prefect of The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ascertained:

... I have the honor of informing you that with the new "Notification" (A.A.S., 30 June 1978, p. 350)... it was the intention of the Holy See to revoke the prohibition contained in the preceding "Notification" of 1959 (A.A.S., 1959, p. 271), in virtue of which it is understood that there no longer exists, on the part of this S. Congregation, any impediment to the spreading of the devotion to The Divine Mercy in the authentic forms proposed by the Religious Sister mentioned above [The Servant of God Sister Faustina Kowalska]. ”

(The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Footnote 89.)

Canonizations are infallible.

So if you believe that John Paul II was truly Pope, you must accept that Sister Faustina is now Saint Faustina.

Archbishop, Marcel Lefebvre taught that canonizations are infallible.
I am not an SSPX supporter at all, but SSPX supporters usually believe what he said.
Or do you think that he was wrong about canonizations?
Strangely, some of the people who really push the unCatholic idea that canonizations are not valid, are often SSPX. Their founder said otherwise. He taught that canonizations are infallible.

What would be the point of a canonization if they were not infallible?

Canonizations are held to be infallible:

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Pope Benedict XIV, in “De servorum Dei”]
If anyone dared to assert that the Pontiff had erred in this or that canonization, we shall say that he is, if not a heretic, at least temerarious, a giver of scandal to the whole Church, an insulter of the saints, a favorer of those heretics who deny the Church’s authority in canonizing saints, savoring of heresy by giving unbelievers an occasion to mock the faithful, the assertor of an erroneous opinion and liable to very grave penalties.

And:

Quote from: Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church, in The Great Means of Salvation and of Perfection

To suppose that the Church can err in canonizing, is a sin, or is heresy, according to St. Bonaventure, Bellarmine, and others; or at least next door to heresy, according to Suarez, Azorius, Gotti, etc.; because the Sovereign Pontiff, according to St. Thomas, is guided by the infallible influence of the Holy Ghost in an especial way when canonizing saints.

And:

Quote from: Saint Francis de Sales, Doctor of the Church, in "The Catholic Controversy

...to say the Church errs is to say no less that God errs, or else that He is willing and desirous for us to err; which would be a great blasphemy.

The form of canonization was unchanged by Vatican II.
The words spoken by a Pope when he canonizes a Saint:

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In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God’s assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define ...to be a Saint, and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the Saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Quote from: The Catholic Encyclopedia (A.D. 1907)

Canonization, therefore, creates a cultus which is universal and obligatory

So if you believe that John Paul II was a true Pope, the Church OBLIGES YOU to believe that Sister Faustina Kowalska is now SAINT Faustina Kowalska.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Sede Catholic

So it is false for Servus to say that it is a bogus ordo devotion, it is not.

I say it is a Bogus Ordo devotion because NONE of the Traditional groups acknowledge the devotion.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2013, 09:26:37 PM »

Furthermore, "Jesus" supposedly said to Sister Faustina the following (and this can be read in her diary):

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“From today on, do not fear God’s judgment, for you will not be judged” (§374, p. 168).

She also spoke several times of the Eucharist "jumping out of the tabernacle and resting in her hands".

If someone wants to believe in the Divine Mercy, I guess that's their business, not mine. But I believe that, when we consider not only that no Traditional groups support the devotion but also the erroneous quotes from her diary (such as what I quoted above), it seems, at least to me, that it should be avoided.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:37:57 PM »

What Servus says is untrue.
The first quote he gives is incomplete.
The second quote is untrue, S. Faustina Kowalska does not even mention the word “jumping”.

The first quote refers to a retreat that S. Faustina Kowalska took. But Servus makes it refer to Judgment Day.

“From today on, do not fear God’s judgement” In other words, from the day of the beginning of the retreat.
S. Faustina had just renounced her own will in favour of doing the Will of God.

Here is the real account:

Quote from: The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska

In the evening, after the conference, I heard these words: I am with you. During this retreat, I will strengthen you in peace and in courage so that your strength will not fail in carrying out My designs. Therefore you will cancel out your will absolutely in this retreat and, instead, My complete will shall be accomplished in you. Know that it will cost you much, so write these words on a clean sheet of paper: "From today on, my own will does not exist," and then cross out the page. And on the other side write these words: "From today on, I do the will of God everywhere, always, and in everything." Be afraid of nothing; love will give you strength and make the realization of this easy.
... The moment I knelt down to cross out my own will, as the Lord had bid me to do, I heard this voice in my soul:From today on, do not fear God's judgment, for you will not be judged.
J.M.J Vilnius, February 4, 1935

From today on, I do the Will of God everywhere, always, and in everything.

+ J.M.J. Vilnius, February 8, 1935
Particular interior practice; that is, the examination of conscience. Self-denial, denial of my own will.

I. The denial of my reason. Subjecting it to the reason of those who represent God to me here on earth.

II. The denial of my will. Doing the will of God, which is revealed in the will of those who represent God to me and which is contained in the rule of our order.

III. The denial of my judgment. Accepting immediately and without reflection, analysis or reasoning all orders given by those who represent God to me.

IV. The denial of my tongue. I will not give it the least bit of freedom; but in one case only I will give it complete freedom; that is, in proclaiming the glory of God. Whenever I receive Holy Communion, I will ask Jesus to fortify and cleanse my tongue that I may not injure my neighbor with it. That is why I have the greatest respect for the rule which speaks about silence.

My Jesus, I trust that Your grace will help me to carry out these resolutions. Although the above points are contained in the vow of obedience, I want to practice these things in a special way, because this is the essence of the religious life. Merciful Jesus, I beg You fervently to enlighten my mind so that I may come to know You better, You who are the Infinite Being, and that I may get to know myself better, who am nothingness itself.

(The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. 372-276.)

Servus is also wrong to claim that: “She also spoke several times of the Eucharist "jumping out of the tabernacle and resting in her hands".”
Furthermore, the quote given by Servus uses the word “jumping”. S. Faustina did not even use that word.
So it is untrue.
S. Faustina Kowalska only touched the Eucharist by hand on two days in her whole life, and neither occasion was voluntary.

Here is one of those two occasions:

Quote from: The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska

When I was about to receive Holy Communion, a second Host fell onto the priest's sleeve, and I did not know which host I was to receive. After I had hesitated for a moment, the priest made an impatient gesture with his hand to tell me I should receive the Host. When I took the Host he gave me, the other one fell onto my hands. The priest went along the altar rail to distribute Communion, and I held the Lord Jesus in my hands all that time. When the priest approached me again, I raised the Host for him to put it back into the chalice…

There were only two days in the whole life of S. Faustina Kowalska when she touched the Host by hand.

The time cited above was an accident. Sometimes Hosts are dropped in Mass.

On only two occasions in her whole life, S. Faustina had contact with the Eucharist with her hand.
And one of those occasions was an accident where the Host was accidentally allowed to fall by the priest at Mass.
The second occasion was when Our Lord caused it to happen and the Host left the tabernacle via a miracle.
In exceptional circuмstances there can be contact between the hands of laity and the Eucharist.
How much more so can that apply to a Nun, especially if Our Lord wishes it, either via a miracle, or through the Host being accidentally allowed to fall via the priest during Mass.
We all know that only priests are allowed to handle the Eucharist except in very rare occurrences.
The celebrated Very Rev. Francis J. Connell, C.SS.R., S.T.D., LL.D., L.H.D. gives an example of an exceptional case where even the laity may licitly touch the Eucharist:

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“The Holy Eucharist could be given as Viaticuм—hence,
without the obligation of fasting— to all Catholics situated
in grave danger because of the attack, even though they
actually have not been injured. If no priest were available,
lay persons could give the Viaticuм to themselves
and to others, presuming that they could get to the tabernacle
and procure the Blessed Sacrament.”

http://www.cmri.org/adsum/adsum2008-july.pdf

Blessed Clare touched the Eucharist to protect it from the Heathen.
This is mentioned in “Tyburn and Who Went Thither” by Mother Mary Magdalen Taylor. A.D. 1954 edition. pp.83-85.

In “Lives of The Queens of Scotland” it is recounted that Mary, Queen of Scots was given permission by the Pope to give herself Holy Communion when she was incarcerated.
So in exceptional circuмstances there can be contact between the hands of laity and the Eucharist.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:50:04 PM »

I didn't "make" it refer to Judgement Day, I copy and pasted the quote.

While I appreciate you providing the entire quote, how does it justify that somehow she wouldn't be judged by God on Judgement Day? Or are you saying God didn't mean she wouldn't be judged?

As far as the Eucharist, sorry, "jumped" was not the correct word. This is the quote that I was primarily refering to:

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On page 23 of the book Divine Mercy in My Soul (The Diary of Sr. Faustina), it says: “…and the host came out of the tabernacle and came to rest in my hands and I, with joy,placed it back in the tabernacle. This was repeated a second time, and I did the same thing. Despite this, it happened a third time…”

Then there is this quote from her diary, and it reminds me of something Benedict XVI said in 2009:

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On page 643, we read that Sr. Faustina said after receiving Communion: “Jesus transform me into another host!… You are a great and all-powerful Lord; you can grant me this favor. And the Lord answered me, You are a living host."