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« on: December 17, 2012, 10:50:55 PM »
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  • Hello Family!!

    Is there a thread already about the Divine Mercy devotion???  Just wanted to know, doing research about the topic, and didn't want to start a thread if there is one already  :confused1:

    Thank you, and God bless!!

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    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2012, 01:07:39 AM »
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  • Well, for future reference, if you don't already know, you can such things quite easily using the "search" tab. Anyway, here is one previous topic discussing the issue with the pros and cons being pointed out by several posters. God bless.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 20, 2012, 08:56:53 PM »
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  • I've always been suspicious of this devotion.  For one thing, why would Christ command that a novena to His mercy be started on Good Friday????  Good Friday has always been completely and totally devoted to contemplating Christ's death on the cross.  

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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 02:51:08 PM »
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  • The "Divine Mercy" is a "devotion" that only exists in the Bogus Ordo church. None of the other Traditional groups acknowledge it, not even those aligned with Rome, such as the FSSP.

    Furthermore, Sister Faustina's diary contains heresy, such as promoting the idea that Our Lord's Mercy is greater than His Justice when in reality they are equal.

    It's nothing more than a means of replacing the devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Rosary. Read Sister Faustina's diary, and you will get a really akward feeling from reading it. She didn't sound mentally stable like other visionaries such as Sister Lucia and St. Bernadette, who came across as actual HOLY people.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 11:07:11 AM »
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  • It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 11:36:00 AM »
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  • The previous post is false and untrue.
    The Holy Office lost its authority on the death of Pope Pius XII.
    So the document mentioned in the post directly before this one is worthless, because it is from 1959 when Antipope John XXIII was in charge of the Holy Office.  
    Antipope John XXIII had no authority to condemn anything.
    Antipope John XXIII was the one who was antagonistic to The Divine Mercy.

    The last true Pope to rule from the Vatican was Pope Pius XII, who promoted The Divine Mercy.

    Pope Pius XII promoted in The Divine Mercy.



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    « Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 06:13:20 PM »
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  • The post by Servus is wrong in many different ways.

    The Divine Mercy was given Imprimaturs by the Catholic Church in the time of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.
    So it is false for Servus to say that it is a bogus ordo devotion, it is not.
    The Divine Mercy is from the Papacies of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.
    Many traditional Catholic groups and individuals have no problem concerning The Divine Mercy, because it received approval from the Catholic Church in the time of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.
    Almost everyone in the conciliar church are fine about The Divine Mercy.
    Almost all of the recognize-but-disobey crowd are fine about The Divine Mercy.
    Most Sedevacantists are also fine about The Divine Mercy.

    Another false claim by Servus was that it is heresy that God’s Mercy is described as being greater than Justice.
    In reality, the Bible agrees with The Divine Mercy about this: Psalm CXLIV: 9:
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    The Lord is sweet to all: and His tender mercies are over all His works.


    Saint Augustine agrees with this in his commentaries on the Psalms.
    Quote from: Fr. Sopocko
    I began to search in the writings of the Fathers of the Church for a confirmation that this is the greatest of the attributes of God, as Sr  Faustina had stated, for I had found nothing on this subject in the works of more modern theologians. I was very pleased to find similar statements in St Fulgentius, St Idelphonse, and more still in St Thomas and St Augustine, who, in commenting on the Psalms, had much to say on Divine Mercy, calling it the greatest of God’s greatest attributes. From then onwards, I had no serious doubts of the supernatural revelations of Sr Faustina.


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    Hence, reflecting in our human way, the Mercy of God seems to be the chief motive for His exterior actions and, as St. Thomas asserts, is found at the very source of every work of the Creator.

    The Angelic Doctor proves this truth in the following argument. Every perfection may be considered either in itself or in regard to the one in whom it is found. Mercy considered in itself is the highest perfection because it consists in communicating one's own perfections to other beings by lifting them from their wretchedness and removing their deficiencies; one who gives shows higher perfection than the one who receives. Such communicativeness is a property of higher beings in regard to the lower; in the highest degree, it is a property of God through which His greatest Power is manifested.

    Mercy considered in a person in whom it is found, it not always the highest perfection, but is so only if the possessor himself is the highest being; that is, if he has neither an equal nor anyone superior to himself. The one therefore, who has some superior to himself, manifests his perfection best by partaking in a higher being through love, than by removing deficiencies in lower beings. For this reason love of God is the greatest virtue of man. Since God has no superior and no one to whom He could subordinate Himself through love, therefore His highest perfection is not Love, but Mercy (Summa Theologica, I, q. 21, aa. 3 and 4; II-II, q. 30, a.4). Furthermore, comparing Mercy with Justice the angelic Doctor proves that Mercy is superior. This is also confirmed by Holy Scripture which directly states: "... But mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:13).
      (God Is Mercy. Father Michael Sopocko. A.D. 1955. Translated by The Marians of The Immaculate Conception.)

    Mercy can be considered God’s greatest attribute with regard to His relationship with men.

    Quote from: Fr. Ignacy Rosycki
    In this sense, all of God's attributes are God, one and the same. For this reason, all are absolutely equal to each other. Divine Mercy is as infinitely perfect as His Wisdom or Power, for it is likewise God, and the same God, just as Divine Wisdom and Divine Power are God …If, on the other hand, mercy is understood in the Biblical sense as functional, then, even though it is called an attribute, it first of all denotes the results of the infinite and eternal love of God in world history, and especially in the history of mankind's salvation. In fact, both hesed (mercy in the Old Testament), as well as eleos (i.e., mercy in the New Testament) signify active manifestations of God's love toward mankind. In the Old Testament the manifestations found their expression in the calling and directing of the chosen people, and in the New Testament they were found in the sending of the Son of God into the world and in the entire work of redemption. This Biblically formulated relationship between love and mercy is expressed by [St.] Faustina in the words: 'Love is the flower, mercy the fruit' (Diary, 948). So, if we understand mercy in the Biblical sense, then without any fear of error contrary to the faith, it can be said that mercy is the greatest attribute of God ... [in other words] within this Biblical understanding, the results of the activity of merciful love are the greatest in the world and in this respect, mercy surpasses all other Divine attributes
     (Pillar of Fire. Fr. Ignacy Rosycki. Marian Press. p.96.)

    Servus claimed that she is not as “holy”? as St. Bernadette or Sister Lucy. That is just nonsense.
    How do you measure holiness? Is there a graph? The Catholic Church does not make such measurements.
    If reading the Diary gives Servus an “awkward” feeling, that feeling is his responsibility.
    The Church of Pope Pius XII had no such “awkward” feelings when it bestowed the Imprimaturs on The Divine Mercy.

    It is just an ad hominem insult for Servus to accuse her of not being sane.
    It is simply untrue.
    S. Faustina Kowalska’s calmness, serenity of mind, and sanity was attested to by those who knew her.

    Another poster had a query about praying a Novena which started on Good Friday.
    Of course you can pray The Novena to The Divine Mercy, which starts on Good Friday.
    You can pray a Novena on any day. The pre-conciliar Church had no problem with that.

    Canonizations are infallible.
    So if you believe that John Paul II was Pope, you have to accept that he infallibly canonized S. Faustina Kowalska.
    Only sedes can reject the canonizations of Antipope John Paul II.
    And Sedes are still entitled to accept The Divine Mercy.
    After all, JPII canonized Padre Pio. Not many Sedes have any problem with Padre Pio.

    The Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII gave Imprimaturs to The Divine Mercy.
    So traditional Catholics should accept the authority of the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XII and Pope Pius XII.








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    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 06:14:25 PM »
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  • Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy.

    Pope Pius XII defended The Divine Mercy when he was Cardinal Pacelli and later when he was Pope Pius XII.

    On 24th June A.D. 1956, His Holiness Pope Pius XII performed a Ceremony to Bless The Image of The Divine Mercy.



    This was after extensive contacts between Father Stanislaus Suwala, the Postulator of the Cause of Sr. Faustina Kowalska, and the Father-Generalof the Pallottine Fathers, and Father Alois Misiak, the Head of Apostolate of The Divine Mercy, and the Vatican.

    So it was not a matter lightly undertaken by Pope Pius XII.

    The Image was taken to Rome for the Ceremony.

    On 24th June A.D. 1956, His Holiness Pope Pius XII performed a Ceremony to Bless The Image of The Divine Mercy.

    Pope Pius XII defended and promoted The Divine Mercy on several occasions.

    Also, as Cardinal Pacelli (later he became Pope Pius XII) he had supported The Divine Mercy.

     
    Pope Pius XII’s support for The Divine Mercy on the occasion mentioned here can be proved by links to the Pallottine Fathers website:

    http://www.divinemisericorde.com/culte-de-la-misericorde/position-de-leglise/bref-historique.html

    and

    http://www.hommage-a-la-misericorde-divine.com/crbst_7.html

    I have used http://translate.google.com/#
    To make a French to English translation.  

    The relevant parts say:

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    …the cult of Divine Mercy under the appearances of Sister Faustina in the world, spreads…After the Second World War, the message of Divine Mercy became known more and more in the world.There was a general postulator in Rome for the cause of Sister Faustina was Father Stanislaus Suwala, Pallottines...

    In Rome, 24 June 1956 Blessing of the Icon of Divine Mercy by Pope Pius XII.



    And:

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    In the spring of 1956, Father Alois Misiak, Pallottines and Head of the Apostolate of Divine Mercy in France, took
    the initiate, in consultation with his superiors to get the papal blessing, the image of Merciful Jesus...To realize this idea, the image was sent to the Motherhouse of the Pallottine Fathers in Rome (Italy).

    Father Stanislaus Suwala, Pallottines and Postulator of the cause of canonization of Sister Faustina, was instructed by his Father
    General to submit this request to the Vatican. After numerous contacts with the Vatican,
    Pope Pius XII blessed the Icon Merciful Jesus, June 24, 1956 in Rome.

    Once granted the papal blessing, the image is returned




    This proves beyond any doubt that His Holiness Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy and wanted to give it his public support.

    Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy.

    Therefore Catholics should also believe in The Divine Mercy.

    Pope Pius XII, the last valid Pope to Reign from the Vatican, believed in The Divine Mercy.

    The Pope is the highest earthly authority on the truth of any Private Revelations.
    Catholics are not meant to oppose his will in these matters.

    Pope Pius XII (or Cardinal Ottaviani) wanted to make The Feast of The Divine Mercy a National Feast for Poland but some Polish Bishops were afraid that it might antagonize the communist government.

    The communists had an intense hatred for The Divine Mercy, and wanted to destroy The Image of The Divine Mercy.

    S. Faustina Kowalska had a vision of Cardinal Pacelli defending The Divine Mercy on 29th April 1937 A.D.

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    The dignitary Pacelli did much work on this.

    (The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska, 1110).

    Cardinal Pacelli later became Pope Pius XII.

    So the Cardinal who defended The Divine Mercy then became Pope.  

    Pope Pius XII promoted The Divine Mercy.









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    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 06:15:54 PM »
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  • Cardinal Ottaviani also promoted The Divine Mercy.

    Quote from: The Marian Fathers
    Informative Process of Sr. Faustina's life and virtues is opened by Cardinal Karol Wojtyla, Archbishop of Krakow, encouraged by Cardinal Ottaviani, the Prefect of the Holy Office.


    That is from the official website of the Marian Fathers:
    http://thedivinemercy.org/message/history/timeline.php

    That proves that Cardinal Ottaviani also believed in The Divine Mercy.

    Also:

    Quote from: The book, "Saints of the Jubilee"
    Cardinal Ottaviani gave instructions to the archbishop actively promoting the beatification of Sr. Faustina to hurry and interview the witnesses before they all died.

    (“Saints of the Jubilee”A.D. 2002, edited by Tim Drake, p.95. )

    That also proves that Cardinal Ottaviani believed in The Divine Mercy.

    Therefore traditional Catholics should certainly accept The Divine Mercy.

    Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Cardinal Ottaviani believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Cardinal Hlond, the Primate of Poland believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Cardinal Prince Adam Sapieha, Cardinal of Poland, believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Archbishop Romuald believed in The Divine Mercy.
    The Ordinary of Gorzow, Zygmunt  Szelazek, believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Many Polish Bishops believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Many other Bishops throughout the world believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Father Michael Sopocko, S. Faustina Kowalska’s Spiritual Director, believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Father Joesph Andrasz, S. Faustina Kowalska’s convent’s other Confessor, believed in The Divine Mercy.
    Mother Irene Krzyzanowska, S. Faustina Kowalska’s Mother Superior, believed in The Divine Mercy.

    By A.D.1953, some 25 million pieces of Divine Mercy literature had been distributed around the world.

    (From http://thedivinemercy.org/library/article.php?NID=3466 )

    The Divine Mercy was an Approved Devotion in the Pontificates of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII as can be shown by the fact that The Divine Mercy was granted many Imprimaturs throughout the world.

    Some Examples of Imprimaturs given to The Divine Mercy:

    Bishop Romuald gave the Imprimatur to The Divine Mercy Devotion in A.D. 1936.

    The Novena to The Divine Mercy, The Chaplet of The Divine Mercy, and The Litany to The Divine Mercy were all given the Imprimatur by the Metropolitan Curia in Cracow in A. D. 1937.

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    Reference is to the imprimatur of two publications: 1. An image of Jesus with the Chaplet to The Divine Mercy on the back, for which Fr. Sopocko obtained permission in Vilnius on Sept. 1, 1937 (No. R. 200/ 37); 2. A small pamphlet under the title Chrystus Krol Milosierdzia (Christ King of Mercy), which included the novena, the chaplet and the litany to The Divine Mercy. The imprimatur was granted by the Metropolitan Curia in Cracow (L. 671/37). Both were published by the J. Cebulski Publishing House, 22 Szewska St., Cracow.


    (The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Footnote 208.)

     
    The above Imprimatur shows that the pre-conciliar Church promoted The Divine Mercy.



    THUS, THE DIVINE MERCY IS AN APPROVED DEVOTION OF THE PRE- CONCILIAR CATHOLIC CHURCH OF POPE PIUS XI AND POPE PIUS XII.

    The pre-conciliar Catholic Church in the time of Pope Pius XII in the A.D. 1950s established a Religious Order for the purpose of spreading The Divine Mercy.

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    On August 2, 1955, the Ordinary of Gorzow, Zygmunt Szelazek, on the basis of special authorization, established the Congregation of the Most Holy Lord Jesus Christ, Merciful Redeemer, whose aim was to spread the cult of The Divine Mercy and to assist the Church hierarchy.

    (The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Footnote 96.)

    Our Lord had told S. Faustina Kowalska that He wished for this Religious Order of Nuns, which S. Faustina prophesied would be founded.
    This order was inspired by the Directions given by Our Lord to S. Faustina Kowalska for the founding of such a community.
    It was founded because S. Faustina told Pope Pius XII’s pre-conciliar Catholic Church that Our Lord wanted this Order to be founded.

    Thus we can see the very great degree of approval given to The Divine Mercy by the pre-conciliar Catholic Church in the lifetime of Pope Pius XII.

    Therefore Catholics should believe in The Divine Mercy.

    Therefore Sedes and other traditional Catholics should believe in The Divine Mercy.




    Some people have spent their time reading about The Divine Mercy not for spiritual gain, but instead to try to find fault. Such an attitude is not only futile and arid, but it also contradicts the mind of the Church. When the Imprimatur has been given, the Church has spoken. The matter is closed. We are not protestants.

    This is from “The Casuist” (A.D. 1906):

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    Where the Church has thus given her approval to any particular private revelation, it is no longer permitted to ridicule or to despise it. “Fas non est,” says Card. Franzelin, “tales revelationes contemnere” (de div. trad. 22). To do so were to fail in the respect due to the Church….

    Pope Benedict XIV…: "When the Church has examined and approved these visions, no one may any longer doubt their supernatural and divine origin."


    Believe the Imprimaturs given to The Divine Mercy by the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.

    Private revelation has to be interpreted by the Church, not by us.
    That is where Faith comes in. We believe, because the Church has approved of the Devotion concerned.
    The Church of Pope Pius XI and of Pope Pius XII gave extensive Imprimaturs and other approvals to The Divine Mercy.

     
    Therefore traditional Catholics should certainly accept The Divine Mercy.








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    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 06:16:58 PM »
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  • This is the true Image of The Divine Mercy:


    http://www.merciful-jesus.com/THE-IMAGE-OF-MERCIFUL-JESUS-postcard.pdf



    The Holy Face of Our Lord on The Image of The Divine Mercy exactly matches The Holy Face of Our Lord on The Shroud of Turin.

    To see this Miracle, click here:  http://www.faustina-message.com/









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    « Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 06:19:02 PM »
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  • Pope Pius XII believed in and defended The Divine Mercy.

    If anyone is concerned that Antipope John XXIII banned it, do not worry.
    It was Antipope John XXIII who did that.
    So it is invalid, because he was an Antipope, and therefore he had no Authority.

    He did it (invalidly) in 1959.
    No additions to the Index after the death of Pope Pius XII in A.D. 1958 are valid.
    So it does not matter at all.
    No Sede or traditional Catholic should care about the invalid actions of Antipope John XXIII.
    And if anyone mistakenly thinks that John XXIII was a valid Pope, they probably also think that Paul VI was Pope.

    Paul VI lifted the banning of The Divine Mercy.



    If you believe that John XXIII was a real Pope, then you probably also believe that Paul VI and John Paul II were real Popes.
    Paul VI lifted the bannings of The Divine Mercy:

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    On June 30, 1978, The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (A.A.S. page 350) published a "Notification" signed April 15, 1978, by His Eminence Franjo Cardinal Seper, Prefect, and Archbishop Jerome Hamer, O.P., Secretary. It is as follows:

    From various places, especially from Poland, even proceeding from competent authority, it has been asked whether the prohibitions contained in the "Notification" of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, published in the Acts of the Apostolic See, in the year 1959, p. 271, regarding the devotion to The Divine Mercy in the forms proposed by Sister Faustina Kowalska, must be regarded as still in force.

    This Sacred Congregation, having now in possession the many original documents, unknown in 1959; having taken into consideration the profoundly changed circumstances, and having taken into account the opinion of many Polish Ordinaries, declares no longer binding the prohibitions contained in the quoted "Notification." On July 12, 1979, in response to the Superior General of the Congregation of Marians of the Immaculate Conception of the B.V.M., who in the name of the Provincial Superior of the American Province of St. Stanislaus Kostka, of said Congregation, had asked for an authoritative explanation of the scope of the text in the "Notification" of 1978, rescinding the prohibitions to spread the devotion to The Divine Mercy proposed by Sister Faustina Kowalska, the Prefect of The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ascertained:

    ... I have the honor of informing you that with the new "Notification" (A.A.S., 30 June 1978, p. 350)... it was the intention of the Holy See to revoke the prohibition contained in the preceding "Notification" of 1959 (A.A.S., 1959, p. 271), in virtue of which it is understood that there no longer exists, on the part of this S. Congregation, any impediment to the spreading of the devotion to The Divine Mercy in the authentic forms proposed by the Religious Sister mentioned above [The Servant of God Sister Faustina Kowalska].


    (The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Footnote 89.)


    Canonizations are infallible.

    So if you believe that John Paul II was truly Pope, you must accept that Sister Faustina is now Saint Faustina.

    Archbishop, Marcel Lefebvre taught that canonizations are infallible.
    I am not an SSPX supporter at all, but SSPX supporters usually believe what he said.
    Or do you think that he was wrong about canonizations?
    Strangely, some of the people who really push the unCatholic idea that canonizations are not valid, are often SSPX. Their founder said otherwise. He taught that canonizations are infallible.

    What would be the point of a canonization if they were not infallible?

    Canonizations are held to be infallible:

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    Pope Benedict XIV, in “De servorum Dei”]
    If anyone dared to assert that the Pontiff had erred in this or that canonization, we shall say that he is, if not a heretic, at least temerarious, a giver of scandal to the whole Church, an insulter of the saints, a favorer of those heretics who deny the Church’s authority in canonizing saints, savoring of heresy by giving unbelievers an occasion to mock the faithful, the assertor of an erroneous opinion and liable to very grave penalties.



    And:

    Quote from: Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church, in The Great Means of Salvation and of Perfection

    To suppose that the Church can err in canonizing, is a sin, or is heresy, according to St. Bonaventure, Bellarmine, and others; or at least next door to heresy, according to Suarez, Azorius, Gotti, etc.; because the Sovereign Pontiff, according to St. Thomas, is guided by the infallible influence of the Holy Ghost in an especial way when canonizing saints.



    And:

    Quote from: Saint Francis de Sales, Doctor of the Church, in "The Catholic Controversy

    ...to say the Church errs is to say no less that God errs, or else that He is willing and desirous for us to err; which would be a great blasphemy.



    The form of canonization was unchanged by Vatican II.  
    The words spoken by a Pope when he canonizes a Saint:

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    In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God’s assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define ...to be a Saint, and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the Saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the Saints.  In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.



    Quote from: The Catholic Encyclopedia (A.D. 1907)
    Canonization, therefore, creates a cultus which is universal and obligatory


    So if you believe that John Paul II was a true Pope, the Church OBLIGES YOU to believe that Sister Faustina Kowalska is now SAINT Faustina Kowalska.











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    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
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    So it is false for Servus to say that it is a bogus ordo devotion, it is not.


    I say it is a Bogus Ordo devotion because NONE of the Traditional groups acknowledge the devotion.


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  • Furthermore, "Jesus" supposedly said to Sister Faustina the following (and this can be read in her diary):

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    “From today on, do not fear God’s judgment, for you will not be judged” (§374, p. 168).


    She also spoke several times of the Eucharist "jumping out of the tabernacle and resting in her hands".

    If someone wants to believe in the Divine Mercy, I guess that's their business, not mine. But I believe that, when we consider not only that no Traditional groups support the devotion but also the erroneous quotes from her diary (such as what I quoted above), it seems, at least to me, that it should be avoided.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 11:37:57 PM »
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  • What Servus says is untrue.
    The first quote he gives is incomplete.
    The second quote is untrue, S. Faustina Kowalska does not even mention the word “jumping”.

    The first quote refers to a retreat that S. Faustina Kowalska took. But Servus makes it refer to Judgment Day.

     “From today on, do not fear God’s judgement” In other words, from the day of the beginning of the retreat.
    S. Faustina had just renounced her own will in favour of doing the Will of God.

    Here is the real account:
    Quote from: The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska
    In the evening, after the conference, I heard these words: I am with you. During this retreat, I will strengthen you in peace and in courage so that your strength will not fail in carrying out My designs. Therefore you will cancel out your will absolutely in this retreat and, instead, My complete will shall be accomplished in you. Know that it will cost you much, so write these words on a clean sheet of paper: "From today on, my own will does not exist," and then cross out the page. And on the other side write these words: "From today on, I do the will of God everywhere, always, and in everything." Be afraid of nothing; love will give you strength and make the realization of this easy.
    ... The moment I knelt down to cross out my own will, as the Lord had bid me to do, I heard this voice in my soul:From today on, do not fear God's judgment, for you will not be judged.
    J.M.J Vilnius, February 4, 1935

    From today on, I do the Will of God everywhere, always, and in everything.

    + J.M.J. Vilnius, February 8, 1935
    Particular interior practice; that is, the examination of conscience. Self-denial, denial of my own will.

    I. The denial of my reason. Subjecting it to the reason of those who represent God to me here on earth.

    II. The denial of my will. Doing the will of God, which is revealed in the will of those who represent God to me and which is contained in the rule of our order.

    III. The denial of my judgment. Accepting immediately and without reflection, analysis or reasoning all orders given by those who represent God to me.

    IV. The denial of my tongue. I will not give it the least bit of freedom; but in one case only I will give it complete freedom; that is, in proclaiming the glory of God. Whenever I receive Holy Communion, I will ask Jesus to fortify and cleanse my tongue that I may not injure my neighbor with it. That is why I have the greatest respect for the rule which speaks about silence.

    My Jesus, I trust that Your grace will help me to carry out these resolutions. Although the above points are contained in the vow of obedience, I want to practice these things in a special way, because this is the essence of the religious life. Merciful Jesus, I beg You fervently to enlighten my mind so that I may come to know You better, You who are the Infinite Being, and that I may get to know myself better, who am nothingness itself.

    (The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. 372-276.)

    Servus is also wrong to claim that: “She also spoke several times of the Eucharist "jumping out of the tabernacle and resting in her hands".”
    Furthermore, the quote given by Servus uses the word “jumping”. S. Faustina did not even use that word.
    So it is untrue.
    S. Faustina Kowalska only touched the Eucharist by hand on two days in her whole life, and neither occasion was voluntary.

    Here is one of those two occasions:

    Quote from: The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska

    When I was about to receive Holy Communion, a second Host fell onto the priest's sleeve, and I did not know which host I was to receive. After I had hesitated for a moment, the priest made an impatient gesture with his hand to tell me I should receive the Host. When I took the Host he gave me, the other one fell onto my hands. The priest went along the altar rail to distribute Communion, and I held the Lord Jesus in my hands all that time. When the priest approached me again, I raised the Host for him to put it back into the chalice…


    There were only two days in the whole life of S. Faustina Kowalska when she touched the Host by hand.

    The time cited above was an accident. Sometimes Hosts are dropped in Mass.

    On only two occasions in her whole life, S. Faustina had contact with the Eucharist with her hand.
    And one of those occasions was an accident where the Host was accidentally allowed to fall by the priest at Mass.
    The second occasion was when Our Lord caused it to happen and the Host left the tabernacle via a miracle.
    In exceptional circumstances there can be contact between the hands of laity and the Eucharist.
    How much more so can that apply to a Nun, especially if Our Lord wishes it, either via a miracle, or through the Host being accidentally allowed to fall via the priest during Mass.
    We all know that only priests are allowed to handle the Eucharist except in very rare occurrences.
    The celebrated Very Rev. Francis J. Connell, C.SS.R., S.T.D., LL.D., L.H.D. gives an example of an exceptional case where even the laity may licitly touch the Eucharist:
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    “The Holy Eucharist could be given as Viaticum—hence,
    without the obligation of fasting— to all Catholics situated
    in grave danger because of the attack, even though they
    actually have not been injured. If no priest were available,
    lay persons could give the Viaticum to themselves
    and to others, presuming that they could get to the tabernacle
    and procure the Blessed Sacrament
    .”

    http://www.cmri.org/adsum/adsum2008-july.pdf

    Blessed Clare touched the Eucharist to protect it from the Heathen.
    This is mentioned in  “Tyburn and Who Went Thither” by Mother Mary Magdalen Taylor. A.D. 1954 edition. pp.83-85.

    In “Lives of The Queens of Scotland” it is recounted that Mary, Queen of Scots was given permission by the Pope to give herself Holy Communion when she was incarcerated.
    So in exceptional circumstances there can be contact between the hands of laity and the Eucharist.












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    « Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 11:50:04 PM »
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  • I didn't "make" it refer to Judgement Day, I copy and pasted the quote.

    While I appreciate you providing the entire quote, how does it justify that somehow she wouldn't be judged by God on Judgement Day? Or are you saying God didn't mean she wouldn't be judged?

    As far as the Eucharist, sorry, "jumped" was not the correct word. This is the quote that I was primarily refering to:

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    On page 23 of the book Divine Mercy in My Soul (The Diary of Sr. Faustina), it says: “…and the host came out of the tabernacle and came to rest in my hands and I, with joy,placed it back in the tabernacle. This was repeated a second time, and I did the same thing. Despite this, it happened a third time…”


    Then there is this quote from her diary, and it reminds me of something Benedict XVI said in 2009:

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    On page 643, we read that Sr. Faustina said after receiving Communion: “Jesus transform me into another host!… You are a great and all-powerful Lord; you can grant me this favor. And the Lord answered me, You are a living host."

     

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