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Offline gobosox91

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Divine Mercy?
« on: April 06, 2013, 10:07:34 PM »
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  • I've heard some people in the traditionalist community are skeptical of such visions because apparently the angels would not go into the chapel and such... can anybody give me reasons why there should be skepticism around such visions?


    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    « Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 11:52:12 PM »
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  • A. It was condemned under Pius XII.

    B. Though there is nothing at all wrong with imploring mercy and it would seem that Sr. Faustina was a typically devout, very good nun, there ARE some entirely legitimate, rational and deeply theological issues raised by what Sr. Faustina actually wrote in her diary - which has probably sold more copies and in more editions than James Mitchener's works. These include some ridiculous assertions concerning the Blessed Sacrament and how she, Sr. Faustina, was - allegedly not only incredibly, awesomely and megamega holy but superduperexpialadotiously holy, as well!

    C. ( And here's the clincher.... ) A certain fella from Poland ( like Faustina ) resurrected the whole, previously banned, condemned, anathematized deal. You may remember him.

    D. That same fella also banished Low Sunday to the outer darkness and replaced it with "DM Sunday". Tomorrow is Low Sunday. I'd suggest everyone pray THAT Mass, the origins of which go back to the Early Church and leave the charismaniacs  ( the whole Medjugoogoo crowd is gaga for DM ) explain that one when they meet up with St. Peter.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 12:26:07 AM »
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  • For many years I had uncertainty about the Divine Mercy devotions, having
    seen many traditional Catholics involved with it, and I had doubts about
    the Divine Mercy devotions when I read about how it had been prohibited
    under Pope Pius XII, who many consider was "angelic."  

    I read that Sr. Faustina's diary could not have been written by her since she
    was illiterate, and then I heard a rather shallow woman tell me that she
    preferred Sr. Faustina to Sr. Lucia of Fatima because she was so much better
    looking.  I asked her about the fact that Sr. Lucia obeyed Our Lady who told
    her to learn to read and write, but Sr. Faustina never did learn.  She had no
    answer, and I then had more uncertainty, and more doubts.  

    Things were not looking so good for the Divine Mercy cult.

    I was not appreciative of JPII's tampering with the Rosary to make it 20
    decades, introducing 5 new ones that are quite foreign to the whole ebb
    and flow of the beautiful 15-decade garland of Our Lady.  I was encouraged
    by my priest who held up a glow-in-the-dark Prison Ministry plastic rosary at
    the pulpit and he said, "This is as close as I get to the Luminous Mysteries!"

    Years went by, and I prayed for an answer.

    Then one day, I was at a Rosary Rally not long ago and I was seated next to
    a Filipino lady, who got extra loud at the Fatima Decade Prayer.  She said,

    "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell.  Lead all souls
    to heaven especially those most in need of The Divine Mercy."


    The incursion of this Divine Mercy cult into my Rosary meditations was the
    last straw!  ENOUGH with this!

    All my uncertainty and doubts suddenly vanished. I think it was a miracle!



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    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    « Reply #3 on: April 07, 2013, 06:51:47 AM »
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  • I don't know much about the Divine Mercy visions and devotions, but the little that I do know is not very good.  I know that Pius XII condemned the visions and the devotion.  Then JPII completely reversed course and openly pushed it.  This, in of itself, gives me cause to be concerned.  My question is how can the Church forbid one thing and then completely reverse course and embrace it?  The Divine Mercy devotion just seems too overboard and "creepy" for me.  

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    « Reply #4 on: April 07, 2013, 10:32:37 AM »
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  • It was condemned under John XXIII by the Holy Office headed by Cardinal Ottavianni.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Office-forbids-Divine-Mercy
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #5 on: April 07, 2013, 09:01:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
    It was condemned under John XXIII by the Holy Office headed by Cardinal Ottavianni.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Office-forbids-Divine-Mercy


    I provide two factual statements and one person gives a "thumbs down."
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

    Offline claudel

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    « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 01:28:39 AM »
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    It was condemned under John XXIII by the Holy Office headed by Cardinal Ottaviani.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Office-forbids-Divine-Mercy


    I provide two factual statements and one person gives a "thumbs down."


    There's been a lot of that happening lately. I am starting to suspect that this place is crawling with closeted conciliarist subversives.

    If it is, however, that could be the silver lining to the thumbs-down cloud. That is to say, some things written here—actual Catholic facts being among the most "objectionable"—could be getting under the bad guys' skin. So doubtless there are occasions when a down-turned thumb ought to be seen as a badge of honor.

    Offline Cheryl

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    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 11:25:20 AM »
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    It was condemned under John XXIII by the Holy Office headed by Cardinal Ottavianni.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Office-forbids-Divine-Mercy


    I provide two factual statements and one person gives a "thumbs down."



    There's no need to wonder who thumbed down your post.  It's the same person who always thumbs down posts that oppose the Divine Mercy devotion.  

    I had a wonderful Low Sunday at Mass, how was yours?


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    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 01:30:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cheryl
    …It's the same person who always thumbs down posts that oppose the Divine Mercy devotion.…


    This is news to me; thank you, Cheryl. I had no idea that there were Trads that didn't oppose it! It's as creepy and dangerous and subversive an innovation as those "luminous" mysteries.

    Offline SJB

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    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 03:35:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    Quote from: Cheryl
    …It's the same person who always thumbs down posts that oppose the Divine Mercy devotion.…


    This is news to me; thank you, Cheryl. I had no idea that there were Trads that didn't oppose it! It's as creepy and dangerous and subversive an innovation as those "luminous" mysteries.


    There's one sedevacantist trad who promotes it.

    She promotes the Divine Mercy.

    Mel Gibson probably promoted the Divine Mercy.

    Mel Gibson is good.

    The Divine Mercy is therefore probably good.

    Ignore the fact that in the Novus Ordo, Divine Mercy Sunday replaces Low Sunday.

    Ignore the fact it replaces the ancient devotion to the Sacred Heart.

    Ignore that it was condemned by the Holy Office in 1959.

    The Divine Mercy is good for some reason.

    Do not criticize the Divine Mercy.





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    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 05:50:12 PM »
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  • Dear SJB:

    You do a very funny impression of an automated telemarketer.

    Incidentally, I am always happy to see your handle, since the actual SJB is the patron saint of those in my profession.


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 05:59:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
    She promotes the Divine Mercy.


    Sede is a male.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 06:33:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    Quote from: SJB
    She promotes the Divine Mercy.


    Sede is a male.


    I did think that he was a male initially, but somebody recently referenced him as a her so I thought I was wrong. I will refer to him as him from here forward.

    He's a strange bird and he's totally wrong about Divine Mercy. There was a trad who went by the name "JDobbs" who was also crazy about Divine Mercy. Birds of a feather.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 06:42:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    Dear SJB:

    You do a very funny impression of an automated telemarketer.

    Incidentally, I am always happy to see your handle, since the actual SJB is the patron saint of those in my profession.


    It an impression of the culprit that we're speaking about. Here's a little excerpt from one of his lengthy tirades against me:

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    I was angered by your criticisms of The Divine Mercy.

    If you ever **even once** post against The Divine Mercy on any thread ever again, I will put you on ignore.

    Then you will be unable to PM me.




    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 07:52:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
    … Here's a little excerpt from one of his lengthy tirades against me:

    Quote from: Sedecatholic
    …If you ever **even once** post against The Divine Mercy on any thread ever again, I will put you on ignore.…



    Wow. That sounds like an offer that would be hard to refuse.

    Kidding aside, the Faustina grift is the last thing I'd expect an SV to fall for. Yet again, however, facts make expectations look like fools.