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Is there a record of who ordained the Ecclesia Dei group (FSSP, ICRSS, etc.) priests?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 05:19:07 AM »
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  • Excellent question, I am sure the ones ordained by +ABL would be easy to have access to. I might have heard wrong, but I believe that 25 priest in total left the SSPX along with many other seminarians. That might be a good place to start, anyone else who is more familiar with this sort of thing can chip in?
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    « Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 05:57:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: ThomisticPhilosopher
    Excellent question, I am sure the ones ordained by +ABL would be easy to have access to. I might have heard wrong, but I believe that 25 priest in total left the SSPX along with many other seminarians. That might be a good place to start, anyone else who is more familiar with this sort of thing can chip in?


    According to Wikipedia
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    The F.S.S.P. was established on July 18, 1988 at the Abbey of Hauterive, Switzerland by twelve priests and a score of seminarians, led by Father Josef Bisig, all of whom had formerly belonged to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's Society of St. Pius X; they were unwilling to follow that movement into what the Congregation for Bishops and Pope John Paul II defined to be a schismatic act and grounds for excommunication latæ sententiæ due to the consecration of four bishops without a papal mandate. Father Josef Bisig became the Fraternity's first superior general.



    This  Link from the FSSP states: Priestly Ordinations for 2013: Bishop Conley Ordains Five in Lincoln

    According to this Wikipedia article Bishop Conley is a NO Bishop.

    Since +ABL only consecrated 4 bishops, the only other bishops doing any ordaining of priests for any other diocesan groups are all NO bishops.

    You probably wanted a better break down of who actually did the priest's  ordination for the various ED groups, but I don't think that will be easily located, if it's out there at all.


     


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    « Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 06:59:23 AM »
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    Excellent question, I am sure the ones ordained by +ABL would be easy to have access to. I might have heard wrong, but I believe that 25 priest in total left the SSPX along with many other seminarians. That might be a good place to start, anyone else who is more familiar with this sort of thing can chip in?


    According to Wikipedia
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    The F.S.S.P. was established on July 18, 1988 at the Abbey of Hauterive, Switzerland by twelve priests and a score of seminarians, led by Father Josef Bisig, all of whom had formerly belonged to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's Society of St. Pius X; they were unwilling to follow that movement into what the Congregation for Bishops and Pope John Paul II defined to be a schismatic act and grounds for excommunication latæ sententiæ due to the consecration of four bishops without a papal mandate. Father Josef Bisig became the Fraternity's first superior general.



    This  Link from the FSSP states: Priestly Ordinations for 2013: Bishop Conley Ordains Five in Lincoln

    According to this Wikipedia article Bishop Conley is a NO Bishop.

    Since +ABL only consecrated 4 bishops, the only other bishops doing any ordaining of priests for any other diocesan groups are all NO bishops.

    You probably wanted a better break down of who actually did the priest's  ordination for the various ED groups, but I don't think that will be easily located, if it's out there at all.


     




    Maybe we should collectively share the work? Apply some P2P principles here  :alcohol:.

    There are not that many priest combined in the indult in total, I am sure if we had 50 individuals split up the work it would be super easy. All you would have to do is call and verify + put some wiki page and input your results. Give access to the wiki only to the 50 individuals, so that no malicious person can be able to change the information. I am down for it if someone else is up for it. Think of it as a Latin Mass directory, but updated for those who are concerned about dubious orders. It is a legitimate concern, because if I have doubts I would not attend the  mass from that indult priest etc... We could also do that for some of the Eastern Rite priest in the USA. Many times they are not ordained by valid Eastern Bishop's but by some western invalid Novus Ordo Bishop. It just helps give more clarity, plus it gives us valuable data :).
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    « Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 09:38:28 AM »
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  • Or perhaps a better question is: Has any bishop consecrated before Paul VI's doubtfully valid New Rite of Episcopal Consecration ordained Ecclesia Dei group priests?
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    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 11:28:58 AM »
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  • Just out of curiosity, why would anyone desire to know this information?  Surely, you can trust your priests and bishops, can't you?

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    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 12:04:48 PM »
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    Just out of curiosity, why would anyone desire to know this information?  Surely, you can trust your priests and bishops, can't you?
    Even when they pray to John XXIII or John Paul II?
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    « Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »
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    Just out of curiosity, why would anyone desire to know this information?  Surely, you can trust your priests and bishops, can't you?
    Even when they pray to John XXIII or John Paul II?


    If your priest is an Ecclesia Dei (FSSP, ICRSS, etc.) priest, just what do you expect him to do?  Reject the Conciliar church?  If he did that he'd be...well, he wouldn't be FSSP, ICRSS, or any other Indult priest.

    So I repeat my question, what possible reason might you have for not trusting your priests or bishops?  



    P.S.  Praying to these men would not invalidate their orders.  (Not having valid orders in the first place is a whole different issue--but, if you worship with the Conciliar church, does it really matter?)  Besides, if you doubt the validity of their orders, doesn't that make you a...a...oh!  I just can't say it!  It's just too terrible to contemplate!!!   :scared2: