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Dimonds getting debunked video by video?
« on: April 26, 2010, 07:25:49 PM »
Hi everyone,

As the title of this thread posts, does anyone out there have any sources that go after each video they make and point out erroneous things or falsities, maybe even in a commentary-like fashion. Please do not read too deep into me or this post, I'm just asking for some of those other sedevacantists or even NO apologists to show me something as I've always wondered if any thing exists.

And don't post this:
http://mostholyfamily.com/
or
http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/dialogs/church/dimondbros.htm
or
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/02/dietrich-von-hildebrand-legitimate.html
or
this one other link I cant seem to find right now that vehemently trashes sedevacantism and Dimonds too without any reasoning.

Thanks!

Dimonds getting debunked video by video?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 08:22:56 AM »
The Dimonds will lead one to Hell, they are not balanced and have been refuted by Robert Sungenis, Gerry Matatics,Vennari,etc,etc at some time or another.

They have admitted that no priests nor Bishops are valid, then sneak into Byzantine Churches to get the host from "heretic" priests and do so in disguise.....


why woudl anyone sane want to bother with them? have we really reached this low?


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Dimonds getting debunked video by video?
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 10:43:45 AM »
Belloc,

I think the desire to refute them simply comes from the awareness that, like it or not, they have become widely known and have influenced many people.  While they have provided many with a mountain of facts, they have also left a very bad taste in the mouths of most (especially the young man they ripped off).  They give a bad name to sedes, to be sure, but also to Trads as a whole (albeit to a smaller degree).  IMO, this is likely why some might think it would be good to systematically refute them, exposing them for what they are.

Dimonds getting debunked video by video?
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 10:51:26 AM »
Who was the young man they ripped off? Is their a link to his story?

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Dimonds getting debunked video by video?
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 11:31:38 AM »
Link?  I am sure you can find it, but here is the story, which I lifted from CAF...

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Racketeering Charges Entered against Holy Family Monastery
U.S. District Judge Allows Case to Proceed against Dimond Brothers

The Daily Record of Rochester, New York, has reported that a U.S. federal lawsuit has been entered against Holy Family Monastery in Fillmore, New York, for fraud by a young man who turned over almost 1,400,000 U.S. dollars in cash and stocks to the monastery. Eric Hoyle joined the Most Holy Family Monastery to become a Benedictine monk under the guidance of Frederick Dimond. Hoyle claims that Dimond, known as Brother Michael, who operates the monastery with his brother, Robert Dimond, told him that he would have to turn over all his worldly possessions to the monastery. He did.

The Daily Record reported that after joining the group in September 2005, Hoyle transferred securities valued at 1,200,000 U.S. dollars and gave thousands to the monastery, according to his federal complaint. He also signed an agreement that he would receive $750,000 if he left. Hoyle did leave on December 31, 2007, and filed a federal lawsuit against the Dimond brothers to recover his donations. The amended civil complaint accuses the Dimonds of fraud, negligent misrepresentation, unjust enrichment, plus racketeering and several additional causes of action.

The Daily Record reports that the lawsuit will go forward in federal court, as the defendant Dimond brothers' attempt to dismiss the case was recently denied by U.S. District Judge John Curtin in Buffalo, New York, who also allowed plaintiff Hoyle to add several causes of action to his complaint, including a conspiracy claim under the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). The judge upheld the racketeering claim, saying that plaintiff Hoyle alleged specific facts which, if true, would show that the defendants conspired to commit a crime by making false representations and by soliciting donations and postulants for several years. The judge also said that plaintiff Hoyle was entitled to pursue claims for unjust enrichment.