Getting back to the thread title, I wasn’t aware magicians are a problem for Catholics or society in general.  
I can’t think of any I’ve seen recently, and those I have seen didn’t need to be cracked down upon.  A six year old girl in my class’s father performed some magic tricks at her class birthday party.  He wasn’t that good but the children loved it when pulled coins out of their ears, did card tricks, produced scarves from his nose…
In the early 1990’s two Indian (East) fellows dressed as magicians boarded the uptown 6 train in NYC, pushing a cart set up as a magic show. They proceeded to entertain us with classic tricks including pulling a real small rabbit out of a top hat!  There was piano music to accompany the show.  It was really quite good, so they made a fair amount when they went through the car with the donation can.  Probably the Transit Police would crack down on them, but none were present. Our show was from 59 & Lex to 125 St.  
I don’t get it!  Are the Dimonds harassed by demonic magicians?  I’ve never been there, but their “monastery” in the woods hardly seems like a place that attracts magicians.  Maybe I’m wrong, but don’t they not have TV’s and strictly limit the use of internet?  

Getting back to the thread title, I wasn’t aware magicians are a problem for Catholics or society in general.
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I don’t get it!  Are the Dimonds harassed by demonic magicians?  I’ve never been there, but their “monastery” in the woods hardly seems like a place that attracts magicians.  Maybe I’m wrong, but don’t they not have TV’s and strictly limit the use of internet? 

Of course it doesn't have anything to do with them personally being harassed.  If you watch the video, you'll see what it's about, the subtle effect on popular culture these types are having where they're undermining people's belief in Our Lord.  Our Lord's miracles were among the most powerful signs of "credibility" for Our Lord when He came, that which showed everyone that He had the authority of God.  But with these magicians "replicating" nearly every miracle Our Lord performed, it makes it easy for the cynics in the world to scoff at Our Lord's having been the Son of God.  Pfft.  Dynamo, Blane, Copperfield, and Jebreezus (that's what he called himself in blasphemy) did all that and more.  Jesus was just a magician as many of His detractors claimed.

When the Brothers put out videos about Orthodoxy, it's not because they're attacked by the Orthodox or somehow tempted to become Orthodox, or when they put out videos about evolution, it's not as though they're tempted to believe in it ... they put these materials out because there are many out there, millions, and billions of souls who are being deceived by these things, and also having their faith weakened by these so-called "magicians".

Deuterocomical saw this thread and he said he is willing to have you or anyone who disagrees with his magic video onto his channel to discuss/debate this topic.  Email him at deuterocomical2023@gmail.com if you are willing

Sorry, but I don't have time for it.  Fact is that most of the attacks come from people who don't believe in the preternatural.

I wasted enough time on a couple of the "debunking" videos.  One of them had a guy welding together some apparatus made of steel to simulate the levitation guys ... problem with that being that the levitation guys in the Dimond video clearly have no such apparatus, as they get up, move around, etc.  ... and there would be absolutely no way to hide that.  One of those guys actually gets rid of his stick when someone tried to claim that his stick was involved.  He put his hand on some guy's head and did the same stunt, and at another time he actually let go and had no hands.

Debunking of the Great Wall of China was also absurd nonsense.  It involved the magician sneaking into the bottom of a cart that was then wheeled around this "wall" to "stand in for" the Great Wall of China, something in the studio that was about 20 feet in length that you could wheel a cart around.  Uhm, the Wall of China is 13,000 miles long and varies between 15 and 32 feet thick, of solid stone.  No way anyone was wheeling any kind of cart around it, nor did he dig a tunnel underneath it, and there were spectators on top of the wall for long distances, with cameras running looking down the length of the wall lest he find some way to climb over it, and then just magically re-appear under the sheet on the other side.

So the debunking videos were so ludicrous that they show nothing but bad faith, from individals who refuse to believe in the supernatural world.  Whether or not every single element depicted in the Dimond video is true or not we can't be certain about, but very many of them, and likely most of them, do involve preternatural activity.  Only someone who does not believe in the spiritual world can pretend otherwise, as they desperately try to rationalize away, and it's not worth my time to debate such a clown.  Have him contact the Dimond Brothers for a debate, but they probably don't want to waste their time on some infidel anyway.

https://www.businessinsider.com/magician-david-copperfield-implicated-jeffrey-epstein-case-trade-tickets-girls-2024-1

So the docs cite him as trading tickets for young girls.  Jews just can't help themselves I guess.

"Save the Children" then did just unceremoniously deleted any reference to the Copperstein stunt from their website.

This happened about 6 weeks before he was supposed to make the moon disappear ... where he was undoubtedly plotting to show the moon to some young girls while everyone was distracted with his illusions.

Sorry, but I don't have time for it.  Fact is that most of the attacks come from people who don't believe in the preternatural.

I wasted enough time on a couple of the "debunking" videos.  One of them had a guy welding together some apparatus made of steel to simulate the levitation guys ... problem with that being that the levitation guys in the Dimond video clearly have no such apparatus, as they get up, move around, etc.  ... and there would be absolutely no way to hide that.  One of those guys actually gets rid of his stick when someone tried to claim that his stick was involved.  He put his hand on some guy's head and did the same stunt, and at another time he actually let go and had no hands.

Debunking of the Great Wall of China was also absurd nonsense.  It involved the magician sneaking into the bottom of a cart that was then wheeled around this "wall" to "stand in for" the Great Wall of China, something in the studio that was about 20 feet in length that you could wheel a cart around.  Uhm, the Wall of China is 13,000 miles long and varies between 15 and 32 feet thick, of solid stone.  No way anyone was wheeling any kind of cart around it, nor did he dig a tunnel underneath it, and there were spectators on top of the wall for long distances, with cameras running looking down the length of the wall lest he find some way to climb over it, and then just magically re-appear under the sheet on the other side.

So the debunking videos were so ludicrous that they show nothing but bad faith, from individals who refuse to believe in the supernatural world.  Whether or not every single element depicted in the Dimond video is true or not we can't be certain about, but very many of them, and likely most of them, do involve preternatural activity.  Only someone who does not believe in the spiritual world can pretend otherwise, as they desperately try to rationalize away, and it's not worth my time to debate such a clown.  Have him contact the Dimond Brothers for a debate, but they probably don't want to waste their time on some infidel anyway.

You can't even spare an hour to discuss it with him? I find that hard to believe given since you have enough free time to spend on the internet and reply to me so quickly.  But hey, I can't force you to, I just thought maybe you would step up since the Dimond's are obviously too scared to debate him (he's challenged them multiple times).

I also suspect that you didn't actually watch his full response, because he clearly stated that he does believe in the preternatural/supernatural, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.  He also clearly explained how Special Head (the levitating street performer) levitates and even addresses the video of him floating without the stick that you mentioned.  Have you wondered why he needs a human to stand right where his stick normally would be in order for it to work?  If he was literally and actually floating, he would do it without a spectator and without a stick.  Why does he need to touch someone's head?  It's clearly using their body to hide the mechanism (as explained in the video).

And regarding the Great Wall trick, there are several explanations (such as the use of a helicopter to lift him over the wall).  But the better question to ask yourself is, why did the assistants wheel away the steps away?  What was their reason for doing that if he wasn't hiding in there?  

I would just ask you to reflect on the possibility that all of the following statements can be simultaneously true without contradiction:
1.  The preternatural/supernatural world is real
2.  Magicians are very good at trickery, and every (or nearly every) trick in their "docuмentary" has an explanation
3.  Many magicians cause scandal by association with occult themes
4.  It is calumny for the Dimonds to broadly accuse every magician in their video of being empowered by demons when many of the tricks were shown to be simple explanations (why haven't the Dimond's apologized to the Chinese face changer?  They remove them from the newer versions of the video, but never apologized or admitted they were wrong)
5.  It's possible that were merely fooled by clever entertainers, and have again been fooled by clever Benedictine cosplayers


I hope you change your mind and debate Deuterocomical, because he has gone unchallenged and appears to be the clear victor right now.

In other words, what would be my motivation?

-- to attack the Dimonds (I don't have any ill will toward them)
-- to defend every word of their videos (I'm not a cult follower of them either)
-- to prove that many magic tricks are performed by cooperation with demons?  I already know this.
-- to prove that EVERY trick in their (4-hour) video is?  Don't feel the need to do that (see the above).

I've done just enough to expose that there's a bad will and agenda behind this latest attack on the Dimonds, whether out of personal animosity,our on account of Rationalism and lack of faith (not believing in the spiritual / preternatural world), and those two examples I went through (and wasted 10-15 minutes of my time each) suffice for that purpose.

I saw the guy building the metal structure for levitation (couldn't have happened) and the guy attempting to reproduce the Great Wall of China trick (epic fail due to the conditions I explained).  Both are obvious and transparent fails and could only be accepted as evidence by someone applying confirmation bias and begging the question, for some agenda.

Now, I can't 100% rule out camera tricks, since you can do almost anything with that and video editing software and AI, but many of these appeared to have been performed in front of live audiences.

To the point about "invincible ignorance" mentioned near the beginning of this thread:

No more time than I have already spent on it.  I'm not going to spend hours trying to debunk every debuking attempt, as it's just not worth my time.  As for the time I spend on the internet, I work two jobs, 12 hours a day, 6.5 days per week, and the only way I survive is by taking a mental break every 20-30 minutes on average, looking at some threads, and typing quick responses.  I type very quickly so that I get comments from everyone, including colleagues from work.  I was starting to write some articles for Substack, but just can't find the time to finish them, because they require much more polish than making random posts on CI here that just roll off the top of my fingers, and I just type what I think.  Having debunked a couple of his examples suffices for me to know that he has some agenda and isn't being honest, and I for one know that much of this magic is performed due to diabolical agency, nor am I on some crusade of vitriolic contempt for the Dimond Brothers where I would spent the time just to attack them out of contempt.  So I have no motivation to spend this kind of time on it.  If I had extra time, I'd return to finishing up the Substack articles I started months ago.  You can see on my Member stats that I average roughly 8 posts per day, and if I had to guess, these average maybe 5 minutes per post on the high side.  Some are a bit longer, but others are very brief.  And, as I said, I type very quickly, without any polish or refinement, and not spending much time on it.

Wait, when did you "debunk a couple of his examples"?  Your question of "how did Copperfield get to the other side of the wall" is just that: a question.  If you think mere questions are "debunking" then I don't know what to tell you (especially when I gave an answer to it).  Same thing for Special Head.

You also claim to "know that much of this magic is performed due to diabolical agency".  If you have even a shred of evidence for this, I'm all ears.  But "I don't know how it's done, therefore demons" isn't very convincing to any reasonable person.

I would at least have some respect if you said something like "yeah the Dimond's were quick to condemn some people were just doing mere tricks, and they need to retract those accusations and apologize" but you aren't even willing to do that for some reason.