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Offline Ana Von Bingen

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2024, 08:19:52 PM »
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  • I personally know a handful of converts that came to Traditionalism (from other faiths) due to the Diamonds.  All converts were men. 


    The Diamonds are a little nutty on some things, and I don't like their constant anathemas of heresy, but...in our overly feminized, wishy-washy, "maybe, sometimes" world, the Diamonds presentation of the Faith as "yes, yes and no, no" speaks to people, mostly men.  It works.  Can't argue with results.
    Finding the Dimond brother's videos actually helped me understand what was up with the church, and thus facilitated my journey into Traditionalism. Though I'm not about to "stay home".
    I'm still working out BOD/BOB. I believe that there's no salvation outside the church. I'm also fairly new at this. 


    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #61 on: May 14, 2024, 12:24:28 AM »
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #62 on: May 14, 2024, 09:54:54 AM »
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  • Fake. You can see how he does 90% of the tricks using slow playback. I'm not sure how he got the one in his mouth that he spit out. There could have been some chemistry involved to inflate the ball at will.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #63 on: May 14, 2024, 07:03:21 PM »
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  • From 1:27-1:29 :laugh2: 

    Besides the time stamp I referenced where he looks absolutely retarded some of his other hand movements look bizarre. Is there a natural explanation? I’d say yes. At the same time his body language and hand movements in the video above don’t look entirely like an act, as if it’s all just putting on to add humor to the trick itself.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #64 on: May 14, 2024, 11:01:10 PM »
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  • From 1:27-1:29 :laugh2:

    Besides the time stamp I referenced where he looks absolutely retarded some of his other hand movements look bizarre. Is there a natural explanation? I’d say yes. At the same time his body language and hand movements in the video above don’t look entirely like an act, as if it’s all just putting on to add humor to the trick itself.

    I think the strange behavior is deliberately intended as a distraction, which is key to all sleight-of-hand tricks ... and it's very effective.  It's hard to focus on what he's doing rather than his bizarre faces and movements.


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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #65 on: May 15, 2024, 11:48:32 AM »
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  • I think the strange behavior is deliberately intended as a distraction, which is key to all sleight-of-hand tricks ... and it's very effective.  It's hard to focus on what he's doing rather than his bizarre faces and movements.
    I must say that I didn't even think about it in that way… which makes the most sense to me now that I'm thinking about what you've said. 

    I don't know if what I'm about to propose has any merit but I was thinking about this earlier today. Is it too much of a reach to say that magic, like in the video above and the others featured in the dimond vid, is a form of psychological warfare? At the very least when it's being performed on a large scale like a Vegas stage show and on television? 

    I know the proposition isn't anything shocking to consider but I think it's interesting. It makes the observer focus on the “power” of the magician, and even if it can be explained in a natural way like the sleight of hand above it still has the appearance of being preternatural, or “supernatural” to those not aware of the differences between those terms. On the face of it it seems harmless, but as Catholics we know that it isn't harmless. I think what i'm trying to say is that magic performances grease the psyop wheels in the conditioned mind, it is hypnotic to watch and can easily keep someone under a spell. If one takes seriously what these magicians do and has swallowed the lie of it I think those people are the incredulous sheep who quickly dismiss conspiracy. I don't know if I'm making sense. I wish I could articulate my thoughts better.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #66 on: May 16, 2024, 02:04:27 PM »
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  • ‘I honest to God believe I was drugged’: magician David Copperfield’s alleged victims speak out
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/may/15/david-copperfield-allegations

    Magician David Copperfield accused of grooming underaged girls, even drugging and raping. He was another one with an island in the Bahamas.

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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #67 on: May 16, 2024, 02:41:59 PM »
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  • ‘I honest to God believe I was drugged’: magician David Copperfield’s alleged victims speak out
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/may/15/david-copperfield-allegations

    Magician David Copperfield accused of grooming underaged girls, even drugging and raping. He was another one with an island in the Bahamas.

    Oh, Copperstein was also on the Epstein list.


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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #68 on: May 16, 2024, 09:05:26 PM »
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  • ‘I honest to God believe I was drugged’: magician David Copperfield’s alleged victims speak out
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/may/15/david-copperfield-allegations

    Magician David Copperfield accused of grooming underaged girls, even drugging and raping. He was another one with an island in the Bahamas.
    Thank you for sharing this, Mark.

    Quote in article from one of the victims: “
    She says she had nightmares for years about Copperfield using his magic on her.”

    The quote really stuck out to me(among many things). All the years of psychological torture she's had to suffer through, being haunted by him… the unrest, and sleepless nights. Meanwhile Copperstein is on his private island continuing to do the devils work without a care in the world. Absolutely disgusting.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #69 on: May 17, 2024, 06:13:46 AM »
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  • The main issue with the Dimonds is not that they disagree with this or that point, but rather how they disagree. Their bad will, their bitter zeal, their uncharitable accusations, their demonstration that they are in no way Good Christian Gentlemen like for e.g. St. Francis de Sales and St. Thomas More, but rather radical monks like Luther and others condemned by the Church. Not even the Pope demands as absolute a submission as the Dimonds demand from their disciples, and one can see the sad effects of this cognitive dissonance on those who look up to the Dimonds. The Dimonds basically set themselves up as a Pope or an Anti-Pope and demand submission to each of their opinions.

    Personally, I think some magic is just human tricks, while others are indeed diabolical. I consider Exorcisms a better proof of the preternatural and supernatural, and also of the True Faith, since Priests demonstrate authority over demons. I also think NDEs - and the Dimonds did another video on that recently - are a decent proof of the afterlife.

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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #70 on: May 17, 2024, 06:27:39 AM »
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  • The main issue with the Dimonds is not that they disagree with this or that point, but rather how they disagree. Their bad will, their bitter zeal, their uncharitable accusations, their demonstration that they are in no way Good Christian Gentlemen like for e.g. St. Francis de Sales and St. Thomas 

    Yes, but those who follow them see that they have "softened" quite a bit over the years, and their attitude doesn't undermine the substance of what they're saying.


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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #71 on: May 17, 2024, 06:31:43 AM »
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  • Personally, I think some magic is just human tricks, while others are indeed diabolical.

    And the Dimonds would admit this as well, and have.  Many/most of the "magicians" in their video admitted to working with some kind of spirits, entities, or in some cases explicitly demons.  Some have had lifelong friends say that the were losers who suddenly "discovered" their powers after having had some kind of mystical experience.  Close childhood friend of "Dynamo" says that he went out into the woods for some time, after he became desperate to find fame in the wake of a near-death health episode, and somehow communed with some spirits, and returned with these amazing skills which he didn't have before.  One guy says that he works with a spirit called "Desmond", and others explicitly named the demons they're working with.  Many of them mock Our Lord by trying to replicate His miracles, portraying them as tricks, and the one guy made his name into a mockery of Our Lord and even issued "Scripture" verses according to himself.  Several walked on water, others made fish and bread appear out of nowhere, and some adopt these poses of being crucified, and float into the air to mimic/mock Our Lord's Ascension.  When people see these things, they are more inclined to write off Our Lord's miracles as "magic" tricks.

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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #72 on: May 17, 2024, 07:20:44 AM »
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  • Ok, that's fair. We do know the preternatural exists, demons and devils and the like. Obviously, those who commune with them, or attempt to do so, are putting their Souls in the gravest peril. Some of those claims could be exaggerated or false, while others could be accurate. My main issue with the Dimonds are their theological errors, like when they claim the entire Catholic Hierarchy could conceivably defect, or other such manifest absurdities, not this particular issue. But, another thread for that.