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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2024, 09:49:25 PM »
I hope I'm misunderstanding you, and I really, honestly HATE TO SAY this, but...

You don't believe in invincible ignorance, Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire? Seriously? BoB and BoD are literally taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

I know, "Feeneyism", which many hold to.
BUT I thought that denial of BoB, BoD was a strawman distortion of what Fr. Feeney taught. One of the things I've learned on CI over the years...

And you seem to be a few notches more favorable towards the Dimonds than you should be. And a bit too excited about this "All Seeing Eye" creepy group. Is it because of the aforementioned "novel" beliefs about BoB and BoD? You seem forced by your odd belief(s) to make common cause with some really shady groups. I'm going by your own words -- you seem desperate for some group(s) that agree with your "position". So you'll take what you can get.

Here's my opinion on the Dimonds --
In a better world, the Dimonds would be arrested by the State and/or the Church and all their "apostolate" websites/materials taken offline. They would be tried for heresy.

The only good the Dimonds have to offer (like the lemonade in a 98% lemonade 2% cyanide cocktail) is their stuff on non-controversial subjects, like Evolution or Creation. We probably also agree on Abortion, sex education, and the general depravity of the Modern World. MAYBE a bit on what happened at Vatican II. But even that is a bit hazy.
(EDIT: I misread Catechism of Trent for just Council of Trent, though the Catechism also does not teach it)
No they are not, nowhere does Trent mention anything about a baptism of blood, and even baptism of desire is an assumption. Just because the council uses the term 'desire' does not mean it refers baptism of desire. This is an assumption due to the speculations of some Saints.

I can mention Saint Peter Canisius who was at the Council, yet in his catechism at the relevant section which people misinterpret and read in baptism of desire, he does not make mention of it and even goes so far to quote Saint Augustine and St Ambrose on the necessity of WATER baptism.

You say I am biased towards groups that reject heretical garbage like salvation outside the Church by the Church or salvation in invincible ignorance (which the Church never taught and scripture refutes) and you are correct. Unfortunately I have not see many trad group who reject these errors. So far I haven't seen any glaring errors from this new group, though dislike their version of the eye of providence they used.

On the contrary I will say that you and most trads are biased towards invincible ignorance and BoD/BoB simply because Archbishop Lefebvre taught it. His statements in which he denied EENS were heretical, regardless of whatever good things he did trying to hold to tradition.

The Church has numerous dogmatic statements on water baptism, that all the new testament saints were baptised, that only those baptised and profess the truth faith are members of the Church and that even if one sheds their blood they can't be saved unless they are members of the Church. The logical conclusion is that BoD and BoB are false doctrines.

Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2024, 09:51:20 PM »
The Dimonds played a major role in my conversion also. I love their style. What can I say? 🤷‍♂️ They made it plain for me to make the decision to stop being an “indulter” and be an actual Catholic. And they promote the rosary a ton. My Godfather and I use a phrase to describe The Dimonds and others like them. Haha. “Straight up black coffee!” 😆 although the Dimonds might be better described as a shot of espresso.

And I love the Dimond video on the magicians. Is everything in stage or street magic performed with the help of demons? I’d wager no. HOWEVER, the posters and pictures of magicians with demons whispering in their ears seems to explain how some of these guys are able to “read minds.” That part is sort of terrifying to me. I think demons are essential to a top selling magicians act at the end of the day.

The other part from the Dimond video that intrigued me was that magician Dynamo and his name being taken from Manly P Halls book. Dynamo uses “heat” from his hand to impress an image of it into glass… it is an inversion of that story of the soul in purgatory doing something similar into a piece of wood. The Burnt Hand of Foligno: https://newspapers.bc.edu/?a=d&d=BOSTONSH18940707-01.2.77&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------


Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2024, 10:11:32 PM »
The Dimonds played a major role in my conversion also. I love their style. What can I say? 🤷‍♂️ They made it plain for me to make the decision to stop being an “indulter” and be an actual Catholic. And they promote the rosary a ton. My Godfather and I use a phrase to describe The Dimonds and others like them. Haha. “Straight up black coffee!” 😆 although the Dimonds might be better described as a shot of espresso.

And I love the Dimond video on the magicians. Is everything in stage or street magic performed with the help of demons? I’d wager no. HOWEVER, the posters and pictures of magicians with demons whispering in their ears seems to explain how some of these guys are able to “read minds.” That part is sort of terrifying to me. I think demons are essential to a top selling magicians act at the end of the day.

The other part from the Dimond video that intrigued me was that magician Dynamo and his name being taken from Manly P Halls book. Dynamo uses “heat” from his hand to impress an image of it into glass… it is an inversion of that story of the soul in purgatory doing something similar into a piece of wood. The Burnt Hand of Foligno: https://newspapers.bc.edu/?a=d&d=BOSTONSH18940707-01.2.77&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------
I agree with you and was also converted by the content the Dimonds put out. The main thing with the OP post is that the Dimonds to not handle criticism well. A lot of the tricks can be explained with natural reasons after some googling, their response to such criticism is one of the issues they have overall as this is not a one time thing.

Online Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2024, 06:13:45 AM »
I love their style. What can I say? 🤷‍♂️

Agreed.  It's refreshing, honest, blunt ... and showing no human respect.  While everyone else pussy-foots around heresy these days, the Dimond Brothers administer the verbal beating with fists that St. Pius X said was needed for Modernists.

Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2024, 06:21:38 AM »
The Dimonds played a major role in my conversion also. I love their style. What can I say? 🤷‍♂️ They made it plain for me to make the decision to stop being an “indulter” and be an actual Catholic. And they promote the rosary a ton. My Godfather and I use a phrase to describe The Dimonds and others like them. Haha. “Straight up black coffee!” 😆 although the Dimonds might be better described as a shot of espresso.
:laugh1:

They played a major role in my husband's conversion as well, and his conversion played a huge role in mine.  I'm not a "Dimond fan", but I'm also not a "Dimond hater" either.