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Author Topic: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?  (Read 38943 times)

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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2024, 10:13:43 AM »
What does that have to do with any of this?
It has a little to do with it. Relax.

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2024, 10:16:15 AM »


You don't believe in invincible ignorance, Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire? Seriously? BoB and BoD are literally taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

I know, "Feeneyism", which many hold to.
BUT I thought that denial of BoB, BoD was a strawman distortion of what Fr. Feeney taught. One of the things I've learned on CI over the years...


There are many here who "don't believe in . . . Baptism of Desire," despite it being "literally taught in the Caterchism of the Council of Trent."

Seriously. 

Lad and Stubborn come most immediately to mind. 


Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2024, 10:18:05 AM »
It has a little to do with it. Relax.

Asking a question is not generally indicative of a lack of being relaxed, and definitely is not in this instance.

Apparently you should "relax."


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2024, 10:30:28 AM »

There are many here who "don't believe in . . . Baptism of Desire," despite it being "literally taught in the Caterchism of the Council of Trent."

Seriously.

Lad and Stubborn come most immediately to mind.


It's not taught in the Catechism, but we've spent many pages debating it.  Catechism merely states that there isn't the same danger for adults as for infants (in terms of needing to be baptized ASAP in all cases) because their intention to receive Baptism would prevail over any obstacles that might get in the way (subjunctive mood), and the language is nearly identical to that of St. Fulgentius who completed the sentence in saying ... "because God would make sure they don't die before receiving the Sacrament" on account of said intention.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2024, 10:34:08 AM »
Here's my opinion on the Dimonds --
In a better world, the Dimonds would be arrested by the State and/or the Church and all their "apostolate" websites/materials taken offline. They would be tried for heresy.

Well, it's the 95% of Trads who believe that non-Catholics can be saved that should be tried for (and convicted of) heresy, not the Dimonds.  Only a minority of theologians hold that BoD is de fide, and they do so mistakenly.

Dimonds do great work against an onslaught of people, including the vast majority of Trads, who don't actually believe in the dogma that there's no salvation outside the Church.  If the Dimond Brothers are in error on this point (and I disagree with their calling all articulations of BoD heretical per se ... even as I disagree that it's de fide), their error is far less grave than that of these Trads who openly reject EENS, often publicly from the pulpit.

Not to mention that these Trads have absolutely no clue about the actual root error of Vatican II, and that in holding that non-Catholics can be saved, they actually hold the same ecclesiology that's articulated by Vatican II.