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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2024, 05:48:38 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on February 11, 2024, 08:33:37 PM
They surely have.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Dimond Brothers have never held that "all Trad Sacraments are invalid".  They've certainly held that most (nearly all) Trad groups have embraced and promoted heresy, but that has nothing whatsoever do do with the validity of their Sacraments.  They obviously realize that it would be heretical to claim that heretics cannot have valid Sacraments.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2024, 06:17:02 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on February 11, 2024, 11:06:55 AM
The meaning of “dark sede” is, in their theology, everything… all trad Sacraments are invalid.

Can you provide a quote? 

It is my understanding that they no longer assist at any mass, but I do not believe it is because they think the trad sacraments are "invalid".  At best, if they are truly "home-aloners", then they would think the sacraments are "illicit" and that it would be a mortal sin to assist at one.

I used the search function on their site.  When you type in "Invalid", you get articles pertaining to the New Rites.  When I typed in "sacraments", I found this file.  Unfortunately, it is dated 2014:

Where To Receive Sacraments (schismatic-home-aloner.com)

Here, their issue focuses on what the priests teach, not their ordination rite.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2024, 06:32:07 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on February 12, 2024, 06:17:02 AM
It is my understanding that they no longer assist at any mass, but I do not believe it is because they think the trad sacraments are "invalid".  At best, if they are truly "home-aloners", then they would think the sacraments are "illicit" and that it would be a mortal sin to assist at one.

Your understanding is correct.
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicians - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2024, 03:37:36 AM »
https://twitter.com/AntiDimondWatch/status/1766483615662125439

So St. John Bosco did 'magic' tricks. I don't think every trick is demonic though many magicians do make demonic pacts.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicians - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2024, 06:03:18 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 14, 2024, 03:37:36 AM
https://twitter.com/AntiDimondWatch/status/1766483615662125439

So St. John Bosco did 'magic' tricks. I don't think every trick is demonic though many magicians do make demonic pacts.

Do you have a point?  Dimonds clearly stated right out of the gate that not all “magic” involves diabolical forces.  You’re creating a strawman here by implying that they believe this.

At least 95% of what they show on the video is almost certainly diabolical … short of camera tricks and “audiences” that were completely in on it.  Many of the “magicians” openly admit and even boast about working with various spirits and even demons.
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