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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2024, 06:27:43 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 08, 2024, 10:11:32 PM
The main thing with the OP post is that the Dimonds to not handle criticism well. A lot of the tricks can be explained with natural reasons after some googling, their response to such criticism is one of the issues they have overall as this is not a one time thing.

I agree with the first point, disagree with the second.  Yes, the Dimond Brothers could do better to deal with criticism, but one has to realized that no personalities related to Traditional Catholicism have been more hated, more attacked, and more maligned than the Dimond Brothers.

As for natural reasons for "a lot" of the tricks shown in their videos, I disagree.  There's always tons of speculation out there about how some tricks are done, but they nearly always fall short.  I recently saw one where they were trying to explain how Copperfield is going to make the moon "disappear", and all the proposed explanations were lame.

For nearly all the material in the Dimonds' video about the magicians, barring total CGI or camera tricks, there's no plausible natural explanation for them ... and in many cases that's ruled out by live audiences and public performances.  We have the magicians themselves boasting of how they work with entities, spirits, and some cases they admit demons, in performing their tricks.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2024, 06:36:02 AM »
And what exactly is wrong with their response?  They're right.  We see it in action on this thread.

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St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Pt. I, Q. 110, A. 4, Reply to Obj. 2: “So when the demons do anything of their own natural power, these things are called miracles not in an absolute sense, but in reference to ourselves.  In this way the magicians work miracles through the demons; and these are said to be done by private contracts…” 

St. John Eudes, Man's Contract With God In Baptism, 17th century: “… those who hold communication with him [i.e. the Devil]; such as sorcerers, magicians, or those who cure diseases, extinguish fires, and do other similar acts by his operation.” 

Our two-hour docuмentary on magicians provides abundant evidence that many top magicians do things that are preternatural and require the assistance of evil spirits.  Of course, as our video acknowledged, that’s not to say that every alleged ‘magic trick’ is spiritual.  There are obviously tricks performed by deception and sleight-of-hand.  But the top magicians regularly do MANY things (i.e. thousands of things) that require the assistance of evil spirits.  Many people can recognize this obvious fact when they see the evidence.  However, some people (including some who claim to be Catholic) simply cannot accept this, and they aggressively attack the idea.  That’s because they have no supernatural faith whatsoever, and they cannot believe that such a thing could actually be happening in public in front of people.  Yes, it is.  Many of those people think they are wise and clever, and that those who claim magicians are doing anything with the assistance of evil spirits are fools.  It’s just the opposite.  Those people are utterly blind fools who cannot perceive basic reality and are duped by the stupid, non-explanations that a few people post online (which attempt to explain how certain things are performed naturally but don't actually explain it when you carefully scrutinize the supposed explanations).  What those people also ignore or don’t know is that saints throughout history recognized that demonic magicians perform such feats with the assistance of spirits.  This video shares a few quotes on that matter: https://endtimes.video/catholic-saints-against-magicians/

The fact that magicians can do this is also of course mentioned in the Book of Exodus.  Why wouldn’t it be happening today, when the Devil is more active than in any other period of history?

There's nothing wrong with this response, and I agree with them 100%.  For every famous magic trick, you can find a dozen speculative "stupid, non-explanations" that a few jokers post online that fail to explain the trick, and often contradict one another and, as the Brothers point out, "don't actually explain it when you carefully scrutinize the supposed explanations".  Those too are driven by the compulsive need to reject the possibility of anything preter-natural.

Now, the one place where they exaggerate is where they claim that these types (several on this thread) have "no supernatural faith whatsoever", as someone can have supernatural faith, even if it's very weak.

What happens here is that we have people that refuse to admit that such things are possible and then apply confirmation bias to accepting the lame explanations people throw out there, which in turn also are motivated by a refusal to admit the existence of a spiritual non-visible creation.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2024, 06:39:51 AM »
I don't understand why anyone would claim that all magic tricks are explainable/not aided by the Devil, demons etc.  Just take a look at the supposed Novus Ordo "miracles".
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2024, 06:52:22 AM »
I'll give just one example of a lame/stupid explanation.  So, with regard to the levitation while touching a stick, someone posted the video of an Oriental guy who made this apparatus out of a solid metal frame that was attached through his sleeve, etc.  So this required a solid metal apparatus and required contact with the shovel he was using in lieu of a wooden stick.

But the examples in the Dimond video featuring the one guy who did this trick showed him picking up his mat and moving to a different location ... no apparatus to be seen, just a simple mat, and then at a different time, not using any kind of stick but just putting his hand on some man's head, and also at other times holding onto nothing.  Even the posters on the video of the woman doing it on the street pointed out that the explanation doesn't work, because that woman also LET GO of her stick where you could see separation between her hand and the stick ... which is not possible given the Oriental guy's apparatus that "explains" it.

So here's one epic fail explanation.  And the same holds of probably 98% of them, where people who refuse to believe in the invisible world and that individuals make deals with the devil, accept these explanations due to prior confirmation bias without actually looking into the flaws and problems with the explanation.  It's the same thing with the Flat Earth issue, where confirmation bias and prior belief seems to filter out all rationality.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2024, 06:58:15 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on February 09, 2024, 06:39:51 AM
I don't understand why anyone would claim that all magic tricks are explainable/not aided by the Devil, demons etc.  Just take a look at the supposed Novus Ordo "miracles".

I understand.  It's precisely because of what the Dimond Brothers said, that people have very little actual faith in the invisible world, and so the assume there MUST be some natural explanation for ALL magic tricks, and so in their confirmation bias they filter out the possibility that demons could be involved.  Satanists/Luciferians are EVERYWHERE today.  On the Dimond video, many of them admit as much and boast of their cooperation with demons.  One guy in particular (Dynamo) was a lame nothing of a magician, and one of his close friends testified that after he had a close brush with death (due to a medical condition), he became obsessed with not dying before being remembered and making a name for himself, and that he went out into the woods for some days, "made some deal with the devil", and came back somehow doing astonishing tricks and becoming famous.  Many of them admit to studying the occult and witchcraft, and conjuring demons.  Some of them admit to studying Voodoo and participating in Voodoo rites where dead people were animated.  We have Catholic missionaries who attest to the diabolical Voodoo practices they encountered.

Many of them also blaphemously do parodies of Our Lord's miracles:  walking on water, making fish and loaves appear out of nothing, levitating in the air while posing in the manner of Our Lord on the cross, referring to levitation as their "Ascension", and the one guy calling himself "Jabreezus" and making his own "Scripture" verses.  This is all being done by the demons not because they want to do some favors for these magicians, but because they want to disparage the miracles performed by Our Lord.  "Look, these guys doing the same things that Jesus is said to have done.  Jesus too was nothing but a street magician (performing His tricks using the same allegedly natural techniques)."  That's the entire point of this, to disparage Our Lord's miracles.
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