Author Topic: Dimond Contradiction (Read 10034 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2015, 08:34:25 AM »

Quote from: Malleus

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As per a citation on the SSPX.ORG website that they were attacking:

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Salaverri, in his Sacrae Theologiae Summa (vol. I, 5th ed., Madrid, B.A.C.) distinguishes the following:

Extraordinary Infallible Papal Magisterium (no. 592 ff);

Ordinary Infallible Papal Magisterium (no. 645 ff);

Papal Magisterium that is mere authenticuм, that is, only "authentic" or "authorized" as regards the person himself, not as regards his infallibility (no. 659 ff).

So the authentic magisterium isn't infallible.

No, please read. MERELY authentic Magisterium is not infallible. Authentic Magisterium is the top level; within the Authentic Magisterium you can find infallible AND fallible teaching. Problem is that the SSPX.ORG article the Dimonds were attacking got lazy and kept referring to the MERELY authentic Magisterium as just the authentic Magisterium.

At the end, though, the argument is just over definitions and semantics; you had the Dimond brothers arguing that the infallible Magisterium was infallible (because they defined authentic Magisterium as = the infallible Magisterium) and the SSPX arguing that the non-infallible Magisterium was non-infallible (because they defined authentic Magisterium as = the non-infallible Magisterium). So this was a 60-minute video arguing over nothing more than the definition of a word.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2015, 08:35:51 AM »

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It is not possible for the Teaching Authority of the Church to teach error.

This statement is just plain false; SVism has perpetuated this stupidity far too long now. Even the Dimonds admit that there can be errors in the Magisterium. NO CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN has EVER taught that there cannot be any error in the Magisterium.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2015, 09:17:05 AM »

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Quote from: Bellator Dei
It is not possible for the Teaching Authority of the Church to teach error.

This statement is just plain false; SVism has perpetuated this stupidity far too long now. Even the Dimonds admit that there can be errors in the Magisterium. NO CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN has EVER taught that there cannot be any error in the Magisterium.

How is it possible for the TEACHING AUTHORITY of the Church to teach error?

Only the INFALLIBLE teaching authority of the Church cannot teach error. There's a mental malfunction that resulted from SVism which doesn't understand the Vatican I definition. It's a false and extreme counter-reaction to R&Rism which would allow for even the teaching of an Ecuмenical Council and the Church's Universal Discipline to have failed and to have taught grave / substantial error.

Is Pius XII's "Allocution to Midwives" infallible?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2015, 10:06:08 AM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei

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Is Pius XII's "Allocution to Midwives" infallible?

Of course not. He was speaking to a specific group of individuals and was not exercising his role as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, thus acting in a fallible capacity.

Then what are you talking about? That Allocution is part of Pius XII's Authentic Magisterium.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2015, 10:08:26 AM »

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Only the INFALLIBLE teaching authority of the Church cannot teach error.

Yes, that is absolutely correct!! The Extraordinary (Solemn) and Ordinary Universal Magisterium (BOTH Authentic) are free from error. So, it is NOT possible for the INFALLIBLE TEACHING AUTHORITY of the Catholic Church to actively teach error.

Fixed it for you.