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Offline Deliveringit

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« on: July 31, 2012, 12:35:00 AM »
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  •  Many so called "traditionalist catholic" websites have attempted to impugn the reputation and credibility of the Most Holy Family Monastery based on that lawsuit brought by Eric Hoyle against the sedevacantist traditional Catholic Dimond brothers. Recently the Judge has sided in favor of the Most Holy Family Monastery. Click on the links below. Also, what are your thoughts about this?


    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/doc_106_decision_and_order_6_22_12.pdf








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    « Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 04:38:01 AM »
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    Many so called "traditionalist catholic" websites have attempted to impugn the reputation and credibility of the Most Holy Family Monastery based on that lawsuit brought by Eric Hoyle against the sedevacantist traditional Catholic Dimond brothers. Recently the Judge has sided in favor of the Most Holy Family Monastery. Click on the links below. Also, what are your thoughts about this?


    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/doc_106_decision_and_order_6_22_12.pdf









    Where do Dimond brothers  line come from and who ordained them?

     After the way Supreme court justice Robert voted can we really trust any judges.  (Also, didn't Oj and recently Casey girl get away with murder?)

    Unfortunately, with any traditional independent catholic monasteries there also come wolves in sheep's clothing too.  There was another monastery somewhere else that was being operated by a conman.  
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    « Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 04:02:50 PM »
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  • Even if the judgement is legally right, it might still be morally wrong.
    There is a higher court that will have the last word.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 04:16:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Where do Dimond brothers  line come from and who ordained them?

     After the way Supreme court justice Robert voted can we really trust any judges.  (Also, didn't Oj and recently Casey girl get away with murder?)

    Unfortunately, with any traditional independent catholic monasteries there also come wolves in sheep's clothing too.  There was another monastery somewhere else that was being operated by a conman.  


    Mike and Pete are not priests, nor do they claim to be. However, they're not monks either, though they claim to be so. They are evil men who have contributed to the destruction of so many souls and who tarnish the Traditional movement.

    Forget the lawsuit, the Dimonds use their costumes of monks and intelligence to manipulate people into thinking that they are Traditionalists when they're actually very bitter and evil men who are NOT Catholic and do NOT have a Catholic mindset, ruin their own reputation by themselves.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 04:31:18 PM »
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  • Lets take a look at the ungodly spirit that these men spew:

    Quote from: MHFM in the video posted in the OP
    "These people are so evil and we're going to have some things to say about some of these individuals. Coming soon. And its a shot back in their heretical faces. Their heretical positions are based on lies and their tax against us were based on lies. That's because their father is the Devil, the father of lies.

    And in the case of this lawsuit the thing that became more clear to us is that the false traditionalists, and heretical individuals, in the traditional movement, are as dishonest as the pagans...."


    Yes, I can recall a very many saints speaking like this. You know, speaking with vengeance about those who have wronged us. I mean, does anyone care to count how many times he refers to people as heretics and heretical? Its almost laughable, but its really gross when you think about it. People actually believe this way of talk is Catholic.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 06:21:45 PM »
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  •  The court really is not qualified to judge on matters pertaining to the Church, such as whether someone is a true monk or not. So legally, the decision is understandable, to some degree, but I'm not sure how the Dimonds got out of the charges of "deceptive trade practices" and "false advertising."

    Sigismund asked me why I don't enter a monastery. This is one of the reasons. In a time like this where the Church structures are destroyed, we have seen too many examples of religious communities going belly up. Then you lose all your money. It is spiritually dangerous, first of all, because if you have no money, and your superior decides, like Bp. Vezelis, that he is the only bishop in the U.S., you are then in a position where you have to be homeless or stay and risk your soul. When the Church was in better condition, i.e. when we had a Pope, Bp. Vezelis would not have been able to get away with that junk, and the Church could have stepped in and protected the religious under him, by removing him as superior or whatever else.

    I'm not even sure it's right to be taking a vow of poverty at a time like this, when there is little to no ordinary jurisdiction. But that problem is too complex for me to be able to answer. I just know I am not giving up all my money without any semblance of protection. To me this is so clear and so easy to figure out. I understand the strong desire to be a priest or a monk, but that is not always the best decision spiritually. Sometimes the best decision is to stay low.

    If anything, this should dissuade someone from being a Feeneyite. You could end up losing all your money if you think that, as Peter says here, "Frankly, this is the only place in terms of religious communities where you will hear the full Catholic truth of our day." This guy believed it; he signed on the dotted line; he lost his entire inheritance. Horrific.
     
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 12:00:31 AM »
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    The court really is not qualified to judge on matters pertaining to the Church, such as whether someone is a true monk or not. So legally, the decision is understandable, to some degree, but I'm not sure how the Dimonds got out of the charges of "deceptive trade practices" and "false advertising."

    Sigismund asked me why I don't enter a monastery. This is one of the reasons. In a time like this where the Church structures are destroyed, we have seen too many examples of religious communities going belly up. Then you lose all your money. It is spiritually dangerous, first of all, because if you have no money, and your superior decides, like Bp. Vezelis, that he is the only bishop in the U.S., you are then in a position where you have to be homeless or stay and risk your soul. When the Church was in better condition, i.e. when we had a Pope, Bp. Vezelis would not have been able to get away with that junk, and the Church could have stepped in and protected the religious under him, by removing him as superior or whatever else.

    I'm not even sure it's right to be taking a vow of poverty at a time like this, when there is little to no ordinary jurisdiction. But that problem is too complex for me to be able to answer. I just know I am not giving up all my money without any semblance of protection. To me this is so clear and so easy to figure out. I understand the strong desire to be a priest or a monk, but that is not always the best decision spiritually. Sometimes the best decision is to stay low.

    If anything, this should dissuade someone from being a Feeneyite. You could end up losing all your money if you think that, as Peter says here, "Frankly, this is the only place in terms of religious communities where you will hear the full Catholic truth of our day." This guy believed it; he signed on the dotted line; he lost his entire inheritance. Horrific.
     


    You should be allowd to keep your money that you had before.   the vows of poverty today are meant so a  religious person lives within means instead of living like hollywood movie stars.  Poverty helps with humility.  there were many saints who gave up their riches and lived in real poverty.  
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    « Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 09:33:55 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 02:54:22 PM »
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  • Raoul wrote:

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    Sigismund asked me why I don't enter a monastery. This is one of the reasons. In a time like this where the Church structures are destroyed, we have seen too many examples of religious communities going belly up. Then you lose all your money. It is spiritually dangerous, first of all, because if you have no money, and your superior decides, like Bp. Vezelis, that he is the only bishop in the U.S., you are then in a position where you have to be homeless or stay and risk your soul. When the Church was in better condition, i.e. when we had a Pope, Bp. Vezelis would not have been able to get away with that junk, and the Church could have stepped in and protected the religious under him, by removing him as superior or whatever else.

    I'm not even sure it's right to be taking a vow of poverty at a time like this, when there is little to no ordinary jurisdiction. But that problem is too complex for me to be able to answer. I just know I am not giving up all my money without any semblance of protection. To me this is so clear and so easy to figure out. I understand the strong desire to be a priest or a monk, but that is not always the best decision spiritually. Sometimes the best decision is to stay low.


    Your thinking in my view is wise.  I would like to add that there may be another way for you or anyone else to think about.  If you think that God may be calling you to a vocation, you may consider the secular priesthood.  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13675a.htm

    You would not need to give up your money/possessions.  When the Church reforms, (hopefully soon), you could be incardinated into a diocese or with the restored Church, you may then if you are called to religious life make that decision.  

    The CMRI trains both religious and secular clergy.   You would more than likely need to work with them after ordination.  

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    « Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 03:03:19 PM »
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    So legally, the decision is understandable, to some degree, but I'm not sure how the Dimonds got out of the charges of "deceptive trade practices" and "false advertising."  
    What false advertising and deceptive trade practices? The Dimond brothers have never hidden the fact that they are not a Benedictine order recognized by Rome. Eric Hoyle knew this and knew that the Dimonds are sedevacantists, so the Judge made the right decision in siding with the Dimond brothers.


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    If anything, this should dissuade someone from being a Feeneyite.
     


    Thats the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. One has nothing to do with the other. Also, if one doesn't hold to the strict understanding of EENS(No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church), then one is a modernist and not really a Catholic at all.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 03:04:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Deliveringit
    Many so called "traditionalist catholic" websites have attempted to impugn the reputation and credibility of the Most Holy Family Monastery based on that lawsuit brought by Eric Hoyle against the sedevacantist traditional Catholic Dimond brothers. Recently the Judge has sided in favor of the Most Holy Family Monastery. Click on the links below. Also, what are your thoughts about this?


    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/doc_106_decision_and_order_6_22_12.pdf








    they do fine on their own impugn themselves.......a judges ruling does not mean they are A-Ok
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 03:05:55 PM »
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    So legally, the decision is understandable, to some degree, but I'm not sure how the Dimonds got out of the charges of "deceptive trade practices" and "false advertising."  
    What false advertising and deceptive trade practices? The Dimond brothers have never hidden the fact that they are not a Benedictine order recognized by Rome. Eric Hoyle knew this and knew that the Dimonds are sedevacantists, so the Judge made the right decision in siding with the Dimond brothers.


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    If anything, this should dissuade someone from being a Feeneyite.
     


    Thats the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. One has nothing to do with the other. Also, if one doesn't hold to the strict understanding of EENS(No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church), then one is a modernist and not really a Catholic at all.


    getting the feeling you are in a minority of 1?? :scratchchin: :wink:
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic