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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #135 on: May 18, 2022, 07:38:06 PM »
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  • No, it's called giving them the benefit of the doubt.  You clowns are making the accusations, so the burden of proof is on you.  In point of fact, you're just pulling these out of your collective asses because you don't like the man.  This has been going on since day one against +Vigano.

    Why is it that the SVs are such assholes?  Makes me think that it's a huge reason so many people stay away from them.  You might do a better job of persuading people you're right if you didn't rip anyone to shreds who didn't measure up to your standards of perfection.  And perhaps +Vigano sees some of your vitriol and animosity toward him.  Why would he want to align himself with that bullshit?

    And I'm going to be very blunt here.  While I understand the theology behind SVism and am sympathetic to it, it's just a simple fact that most SVs are a bunch of bitter assholes ... and a lot of people point that out as your bad fruit.
    Lad, cool down. Take a break.

    Yes, there are a lot of nasty SVists, but there are also many nasty sedeplenists and NO conservatives too. I cannot recall all the uncharitable exchanges I received from non-sede traddies on FE, Gab and Twitter over the years. It's a sign of the times and a result of this Crisis. It is not just one group, it's among all groups and tends to be exaggerated through the filter of the internet. 

    Our Lord prophesied this in the Gospel:
    "And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold."
    [Matthew 24:12]
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #136 on: May 18, 2022, 07:41:09 PM »
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  • I agree with DL that your nonsense borders on slander at this point.

    Lots of people write differently than they speak.  I absolutely do.  And that's especially true when he's not perfectly fluent in English.  He writes his articles typically in Italian and then others translate them.  So I would certainly expect there to be a stylistic difference.  That would be to compare something I might write in English with me standing up there trying to speak Italian.  There would be two completely different products.

    As for going into hiding, I think he has every reason to suspect that the homo maffia will come after him after he exposed their crimes.  There are stories of people who blew the whistle on some Conciliar sodomites who ended up sleeping with the fishes.

    As for writing is all he's doing, his writing is waking up a lot of conservative Novus Ordites, and even Traditional Catholics have received a morale boost due to someone of his stature agreeing that V2 is garbage and needs to be discarded.  See my previous response to 2V about consecrating or ordaining or whatever else he might "do".  You really don't think that ideas and theology matter?  They're everything.  His writing to help clear up minds about the nature of V2 and the crisis are invaluable and do more good than would ordaining more priests.

    Your maniacal rant borders on the insane.

    Lads,

    Call me what you want.

    The Dimonds are in a hack league all by themselves.

    But Voris, Marshall and Vigano all have links to Opus judei.  Have you not studied it ?  Do you not see the signs?

    Voris promoted Opus dei on his show, Marshall praised Escriva's theology on his old website and Vigano used to celebrate the Novus ordo missae at Opus dei headquarters.   Their "talking head" insider news completely fits the Opus judei's propaganda MO.

    Let me ask you, and I'm not trying to be a smart aleck
    Did you believe in the Trump/Q news a couple of years ago?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #137 on: May 18, 2022, 08:24:17 PM »
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  • ... But Voris, Marshall and Vigano all have links to Opus judei.  Have you not studied it ?  Do you not see the signs? ...

    I still think it's fun that Marshall named a son after Escriva. I took a few seconds to Google it and look what came up:

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    Dr. Taylor Marshall Moderator  7 years ago

    For reference, our other children's names are:
    Gabriel William
    Mary Claire
    Rose Genevieve
    Jude Ambrose Josemaria
    Becket John
    Blaise Christopher
    Elizabeth Joy Anne Mary


    Sources:

    1.) https://taylormarshall.com/2015/06/our-8th-baby-is-a-baby-girl.html

    2.) http://disq.us/p/y4pyqi
    Yeah, he didn't name them ALL Josemaria or Escriva so it's probably just a coincidence. Like all of the other coincidental connections he has to Opus Dei :popcorn:

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #138 on: May 19, 2022, 08:27:20 AM »
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  • Voris and Marshall are easily connected with Opus Dei.  Where’s the proof of +Vigano’s connection?  

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #139 on: May 19, 2022, 10:48:44 AM »
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  • Yet?  I'll believe it when I see it. Quite honestly, I think he'll just continue to write, and write, and write....and then he'll die.


    I think the same. That's all he's done for the last 4-5 years, and there's no indication he will every do anything different, and he is now in his 80s and doesn't have a huge amount of time left for this world.

    I don't understand why people on here are so impressed by him. He was alive before Vatican 2 and saw what the Church really looks like, and lived through all the changes, and never objected to anything that we know of. Then, a few years ago he makes a big issue out of the carnal sins of a few Novus Ordo prelates and the conservative wing of the Novus Ordo (i.e., Michael Matt, indult groups in general) starts fawning all over him. Why? I have no idea. Personal immortality of a few clergy is not a problem of the Church.

    Then, a year or two later, he finally(!) realizes there are doctrinal and liturgical problems in the Church, something that pious old ladies were aware of 50 years ago. But fair enough, so he starts condemning Vatican 2 and the new "Mass". Better late than never. He even attacks Bergoglio as a heretic, which really wows a lot of people.

    Unfortunately, he maintains that Bergoglio can only be deposed as pope by "the Church", a not-uncommon opinion, but never defines who "the Church" is. But let's suppose he is referring to the college of cardinals. Okay, but the college of cardinals refuses to depose Bergoglio. Well, doesn't that make them complicit? That is what both common sense and theology teach, and after all, if a pope can be a heretic and need deposition, can't the same be true of the college of cardinals? All of this is what Vigano could have discerned with 30 seconds of thoughtful reflection, even without recourse to any theological treatises (which he doesn't appear to read, anyway, or at least he never cites any theologians).

    So if the college of cardinals espouses heresy and/or protects a heretical antipope, they must be judged and deposed by "the Church" too, right? And who is that now? Well, who is below the cardinals except the bishops? But wait, isn't Vigano a bishop, in fact an ARCHbishop? So doesn't that mean he has the duty, as a member of "the Church", to depose the pope and cardinals?

    Well, he made it absolutely clear that he will never fulfill this obligation when he said that he would not declare Bergoglio an antipope because "that's just what Bergoglio wants", and he was absolutely terrified that Bergoglio would excommunicate him. Seriously??! What traditional Catholic wouldn't want to be excommunicated by Bergoglio -- in fact, wear such an excommunication as a badge of honor?

    Vigano's failure to do his duty is not due to an ignorance of what he is supposed to do -- which would be bad enough in itself -- but due to a lack of courage and trust in God. He is one of the only people on earth who is uniquely positioned to do the one thing that every trad of whatever stripe agrees would solve the crisis in the Church, which is to have the Church formally condemn Bergoglio and the modernist cardinals and bishops and pass sentence of excommunication on them, removing them from office in the Church. If Vigano were to do this, everyone from Indultarians to Michael Matt to the recognize-and-resist people to sedevacantists and everone in-between would accept it as legitimate and accept the new pope following on such a judgment as a true pope of the Church, and the crisis in the Church would be over.

    But instead, Vigano chooses to be a hireling and a coward, and unless he does his duty he will be held guilty of the loss of millions of souls who would otherwise have been saved by such a restoration of the Church, and he will be buried as deep in hell as Cardinal Siri who was similarly a hireling and a coward, and who refused to reveal what happened in the 1958 conclave, thus allowing the loss of millions of souls and an unprecedented apostasy.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #140 on: May 19, 2022, 11:06:59 AM »
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  • Yeti, you're condemning +Vigano to hell is just crazy.  You're perpetuating the label of SV's being bitter, angry nutjobs.

    Ok, so +Vigano said (according to you...i've not heard this) that he wouldn't depose +Francis.  Ok, well, WHY did he say this?  I'm sure that there's more to the story and +Vigano might actually have a legal reason for his statement.  Until you find this out, and/or intereview +Vigano and get more information, it's rash, uncharitable and stupid to condemn someone to hell.

    It's a complex topic, because it involves canon law and also doctrine.  It's also an unprecedented crisis in the Church, yet you're channeling the Diamonds and condemning people to hell because "you have it all figured out".  This is crazy talk.  You give SVs a bad name.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #141 on: May 19, 2022, 12:00:34 PM »
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  • It's a complex topic, because it involves canon law and also doctrine.  It's also an unprecedented crisis in the Church, yet you're channeling the Diamonds and condemning people to hell because "you have it all figured out".  This is crazy talk.  You give SVs a bad name.
    The Dimonds don't even go that far with +Vigano. Condemning him as some agent, like Voris or Marshall, without solid proof is a guess at their interior motivations, which is sinful.

    Marshall naming his kid Josemaria doesn't strike me as particularly compelling since he's come a long way from being a NO apologist to one who has become more friendly to even SVists.

    It's the conspiracy gospel versus the true Gospel once again, where rather than try to give people the benefit of the doubt, we condemn them outright because it fits our theory.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #142 on: May 19, 2022, 12:23:42 PM »
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  • Voris and Marshall are easily connected with Opus Dei.  Where’s the proof of +Vigano’s connection? 
    Pax,

    We Americans don't easily see... that Opus Dei is a judaic secret society that essentially runs the consiliar Church.

    Somewhere, archived on this forum, I posted older photos and dates of Vigano's meetings at Opus Dei headquarters.

    Also, Here's an excerpt from Randel Engels' article on the Vigano connection to Opus Dei, demonstrating the extent of their hidden media power.

    We can see that the funding of Catholic talking heads, like Voris and Marshall is child's play to them. 
    In the Vigano scandal of 2018, Randy shows how subtle and sophisticated are their media manipulations.

    I don't place Randy as the sole credible source for outing Vigano, but as I previously complained, if Vigano was real.... he'd be outing Opus judei.


    Opus Dei Domination of the Catholic Media

    It is also crucial that readers understand the pervasiveness of Opus Dei’s voice and point-of-view  in the Catholic media—and that these influences are rarely, if ever, identified as coming from Opus Dei. During the last three decades, using its numeraries or wealthy supernumeraries or philanthropic cooperators, the Prelature has established and/or taken over many Catholic media outlets including EWTN, the National Catholic Register, and LifeSiteNews. It was these three media sources that originally brought the Viganò story to the attention of Catholics the world over.

    Other Opus Dei media outlets that promoted Viganò’s allegations of corruption at the Vatican and the call for Pope Francis’ resignation include Our Sunday Visitor, Catholic Canada, Catholic News Agency (CNA), and ACI Presna (Spanish) to name a few.

    With this in mind, the significance of this installment concerning the public figures and the media-outlets involved in the Vigano affair will be clearer.  I will begin with the pivotal roles played by two Italian Vaticanists, Aldo Maria Valli and Marco Tosatti in the proposed writing, editing, translation and publication of the Vigano testimony.

    Full Article by Randy Engel
    Viganos connection to Opus Dei



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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #143 on: May 19, 2022, 12:41:02 PM »
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  • The Dimonds don't even go that far with +Vigano. Condemning him as some agent, like Voris or Marshall, without solid proof is a guess at their interior motivations, which is sinful.

    Marshall naming his kid Josemaria doesn't strike me as particularly compelling since he's come a long way from being a NO apologist to one who has become more friendly to even SVists.

    It's the conspiracy gospel versus the true Gospel once again, where rather than try to give people the benefit of the doubt, we condemn them outright because it fits our theory.
    The Josemaria naming is a good starting point. Part of the issue we're facing here is that information is posted constantly, but gets ignored and sidelined. There is incredible information in posts on this very forum, and which have existed for years, but evidently without much fruit for the average poster. Somehow it's determined that there must not be any evidence, so it just comes from the opposition's bitter, angry nutjob sede imagination (look at how I was accused earlier, a complete non sequitur). People can prefer not to believe it, but they should stop pretending as if they can authoritatively sentence people they don't like and disagree with on current events.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #144 on: May 19, 2022, 12:41:24 PM »
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    We Americans don't easily see... that Opus Dei is a judaic secret society that essentially runs the consiliar Church.
    I don't deny this.


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    Somewhere, archived on this forum, I posted older photos and dates of Vigano's meetings at Opus Dei headquarters.
    I've never heard this, so thanks for the info.


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    if Vigano was real.... he'd be outing Opus judei.
    Maybe, maybe not.  Here's where I see the issues with this line of thinking.  (If person A doesn't do "x", then he's (not) "y".)  I'm not saying you totally believe this but it comes across this way and it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy.


    Here's a list of things (just in the last month) that i've heard people complain that +Vigano isn't doing:
    1.  Helping ordain priests  (there's no evidence he isn't helping, but people complain anyway).
    2.  Supporting SV and defending it.  (he's questioned Francis' legitimacy, but I guess this isn't good enough).
    3.  Working to depose +Francis  (we don't know he isn't)
    4.  Investigating and outing Opus Dei  (I don't see this as the top priority; pretty low level problems, in my opinion)
    5.  Outing the Jooish conspiracy  (Using the word "Jєω" isn't going to make a big difference, if you're still exposing the main problems, which he is)
    6.  Supporting Tradition  (nevermind that he's supported +Williamson and also indirectly corrected the new-sspx (which is why they don't like him).)

    Nevermind that what he HAS done is the following:
    1.  Condemned V2 as heretical and unorthodox
    2.  Condemned all V2 popes
    3.  Indirectly condemned the new mass, calling for everyone to return to Traditional rites
    4.  Called out +Francis' heresies and errors, supporting the "Dubia letter"
    5.  Called out the "Great Reset", satanism in politics, the covid lie, the war against the natural law, the family and Faith.
    6.  Called out new-rome's leaders as being part of the "Deep State" and also that many "conservative" Cardinals/bishops are lukewarm.
    7.  Supported +Williamson, +ABL and all Traditionally-minded catholics.
    8.  Exposed the corruption, pedophilia and infiltration in the Church.

    Bottomline:  He's just one man.  And he's old.  He can only do so much.  He writes letters every few months and gives interviews so that people have some sense of leadership in the Church.  But what is he doing with the rest of his time?  We don't know.  So how can we complain/criticize him for things we don't know?  Unless some of you have access to his daily itinerary and all his comings/goings, your complaints are just immature and impatient.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #145 on: May 19, 2022, 01:09:32 PM »
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  • Here's one by Father Hesse (7min) stating:  "Opus Dei is the heart and the brains of the consiliar Church".




    https://youtu.be/7etkPdY2AuU?list=PLthLFidLymOvnI1crLenb5ygUA8xKl-qr
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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #146 on: May 19, 2022, 01:18:51 PM »
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  • Opus Dei reminds me of Amway. That's all I thought about it.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #147 on: May 19, 2022, 01:32:57 PM »
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  • Opus Dei and "the beaches of the world" ... etc. Or no that was Amway and the beaches of the world ...

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #148 on: May 19, 2022, 01:38:34 PM »
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  • Here's a helpful analogy from Jєωιѕн folklore on the Golem, a conjured monster used to destroy the Gentiles.



    Today, Opus Dei represents a judaic infiltration of the visible Catholic Church and seeks to destroy it.




    But only this time... Francis is their Golem.


    Source: Rany Engel


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #149 on: May 19, 2022, 01:43:02 PM »
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  • I don't deny this.

    I've never heard this, so thanks for the info.

    Maybe, maybe not.  Here's where I see the issues with this line of thinking.  (If person A doesn't do "x", then he's (not) "y".)  I'm not saying you totally believe this but it comes across this way and it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy.


    Here's a list of things (just in the last month) that i've heard people complain that +Vigano isn't doing:
    1.  Helping ordain priests  (there's no evidence he isn't helping, but people complain anyway).
    2.  Supporting SV and defending it.  (he's questioned Francis' legitimacy, but I guess this isn't good enough).
    3.  Working to depose +Francis  (we don't know he isn't)
    4.  Investigating and outing Opus Dei  (I don't see this as the top priority; pretty low level problems, in my opinion)
    5.  Outing the Jooish conspiracy  (Using the word "Jєω" isn't going to make a big difference, if you're still exposing the main problems, which he is)
    6.  Supporting Tradition  (nevermind that he's supported +Williamson and also indirectly corrected the new-sspx (which is why they don't like him).)

    Nevermind that what he HAS done is the following:
    1.  Condemned V2 as heretical and unorthodox
    2.  Condemned all V2 popes
    3.  Indirectly condemned the new mass, calling for everyone to return to Traditional rites
    4.  Called out +Francis' heresies and errors, supporting the "Dubia letter"
    5.  Called out the "Great Reset", satanism in politics, the covid lie, the war against the natural law, the family and Faith.
    6.  Called out new-rome's leaders as being part of the "Deep State" and also that many "conservative" Cardinals/bishops are lukewarm.
    7.  Supported +Williamson, +ABL and all Traditionally-minded catholics.
    8.  Exposed the corruption, pedophilia and infiltration in the Church.

    Bottomline:  He's just one man.  And he's old.  He can only do so much.  He writes letters every few months and gives interviews so that people have some sense of leadership in the Church.  But what is he doing with the rest of his time?  We don't know.  So how can we complain/criticize him for things we don't know?  Unless some of you have access to his daily itinerary and all his comings/goings, your complaints are just immature and impatient.


    Okay... I'm guilty of rash judgement and was wrong on Trump too :facepalm:

    He's just one crypto-Jєω, but somehow... he's gonna come back and save America.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi