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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2022, 11:16:05 AM »
.  Protestants and others can also make convincing arguments that The Church is the Whore of Babylon but we know based on Scripture, Chruch Fathers, and Tradition, that this is just not true. 

Maybe the Vat.2  new church is  "the Whore of Babylon"? 
New church is not the Catholic Church.

Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2022, 11:21:18 AM »
Where was JPs mark of the beast?  I guessed I missed that part of the 80s/90s where I had to have it to buy/sell?  Where were the 2 witnesses who preached to the world and worked miracles?  When did JP2 conquer armies and become ruler of the world?  Etc etc etc

He didn’t.  So he wasn’t the antichrist.  I don’t have to watch some video to know this.  It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
You do if you want to understand the argument they propose, since a video is how it's presented. Just dismissing it outright without inquiring as to why they say this, and how they support it, isn't being objective and I have no reason to continue responding to you on this subject until you do.

Maybe the Vat.2  new church is  "the Whore of Babylon"?
New church is not the Catholic Church.
Exactly. And that is precisely what they teach in identifying the Whore as the new church directed out of pagan Rome.


Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2022, 11:27:25 AM »
It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Nah. Trad clergy believing that salvation exists outside the Church trumps it.

I agree with Lad. If they get it wrong on JPII, so what. They get far more right than anyone else out there. 

Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2022, 11:40:18 AM »
. And that is precisely what they teach in identifying the Whore as the new church directed out of pagan Rome.
I didn't know they identify 'new church'  as  'the whore'. (I haven't watched many of their videos)  but the way "new church"  is going,  it seems to be turning into the "Whore of Babylon"  right before our eyes!

Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2022, 12:03:34 PM »
Nah. Trad clergy believing that salvation exists outside the Church trumps it.
Amen to that.

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I agree with Lad. If they get it wrong on JPII, so what. They get far more right than anyone else out there.

They themselves aren't even saying it is anything more than their position on the identity of the Antichrist. I am only saying that I think that their selection of JPII as the Antichrist is closer to prophesy than any other potential candidate (see: Bill Gates, Mario Draghi, George Soros, Napoleon, Hitler, etc.), living or dead, outside of Nero and the pagan Emperors themselves. They could be wrong, and I could be wrong for agreeing with them on many points.

Also, while they haven't done a full analysis of Apocalypse 11 (the two witnesses), they have mentioned that some in Church history have suggested that this may be symbolic of Ss. Peter and Paul:

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Some may ask: "If Rome is the 'great city,' why does Apocalypse 11:8 say that the great city is the place where Our Lord was crucified, which is Jerusalem?"  The answer is that it doesn’t actually say that:

Apoc. 11:8 - “[the two witnesses] shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, even where their Lord was crucified.”

Notice that, contrary to what some have claimed, the Apocalypse doesn’t clearly state that the two witnesses (which some believe describe Peter and Paul) are killed in the city where Our Lord was crucified.  Notice that the passage could very well mean that the great city is called Sodom and Egypt even where their Lord was crucified.  In other words, the great city, Rome, is referred to as “Sodom” and “Egypt” as far away as Jerusalem (where their Lord was crucified) because of its immoralities!  This makes sense when we consider that Rome was notorious for its corruption.  Hence, this passage doesn’t clearly prove, as some have suggested, that Jerusalem must be the great city.

https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/apocalypse/

For all we know, Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer could have been the prophesied two witnesses, who died spiritually by initially accepting JPII's proposal for the consecrations, but then rose again by defying them. God only knows.