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Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« on: May 16, 2022, 08:01:33 AM »
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  • I bring this up because I was pleasantly surprised by the more charitable and softer tone that the Dimond Brothers took with Taylor Marshall.

    https://endtimes.video/taylor-marshall/

    I've long defended them, that they do a tremendous amount of good and are right about (almost IMO) every issue, with some minor disagreements, but what has hurt them and has hurt the good they are capable of doing has been the bitter tone, the denunciation of people as pertinacious heretics even if they are obviously deceived or confused.  It's clear that someone like a Taylor Marshall has the Catholic faith and if they're wrong about some things (and he is), it's understandable and not due to any kind of formal errors.  These times are incredibly confusing.  I've been praying for the Dimond Brothers that their bitter zeal could be softened, and that they rein in some of their accusations of heresy when it's clear that people are confused.  I can see the temptation to get bitter when you're constantly being ruthlessly attacked and you see the truth attacked.

    During this video, I don't recall them ever denouncing Taylor Marshall as a heretic.  They use terms like deceived, confused, in contradiction, etc. ... and all that is true.  But it's clear that if someone like that is in error, it's material error, and it's very understandable given the diabolical confusion of our times.  Litmus test for a pertinacious heretic is whether if the Magisterium were to formally teach something, they would immediately accept it.

    There were in fact a few quotes from Marshall which I do believe were materially heretical, such as when he said that the Church became corrupt after the persecutioins (along the line of what many Prots hold), and I was ducking and waiting for the charge of heresy from the Dimond Brothers (and there would be some ground to it for those quotes) ... but it never came.  They concluded with the impression that Marshall is confused, in contradiction, and deceived.

    I applaud the Dimond Brothers for this video ... and I think most of their videos are terrific, but the tone here was welcome and pleasant.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #1 on: May 16, 2022, 09:05:17 AM »
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  • I think they seem to take a harsher tone with those who are more obstinate in their errors, or, who have the training and authority (i.e trad clergy) to know better.

    It's a good video. I think Dr. Marshall is getting closer to the truth as time goes on, so we should pray for him. And, admittedly, the more I've reflected on their material, I also think the Dimonds might be closer to the truth than anyone else on the interpretation of the current Crisis as the fulfillment of the Apocalypse. JPII was an antichrist, no doubt, THE Antichrist, perhaps, I find myself in agreement with them the more I've reflected on it. But, I can be wrong.
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #2 on: May 16, 2022, 09:13:57 AM »
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  • I think they seem to take a harsher tone with those who are more obstinate in their errors, or, who have the training and authority (i.e trad clergy) to know better.

    It's a good video. I think Dr. Marshall is getting closer to the truth as time goes on, so we should pray for him. And, admittedly, the more I've reflected on their material, I also think the Dimonds might be closer to the truth than anyone else on the interpretation of the current Crisis as the fulfillment of the Apocalypse. JPII was an antichrist, no doubt, THE Antichrist, perhaps, I find myself in agreement with them the more I've reflected on it. But, I can be wrong.

    Yes, I'm convinced that JP2 was AN Antichrist, some kind of forerunner.  But their opinion about him being THE Antichrist, that's not a matter of doctrine, so I don't really care too much about it.  It's interesting to debate and speculate about, but not that important.

    They also released an update about the Magicians (that has about 40 minutes of extra video since their last release), and I'm looking forward to that.  It's an amazing video, and their intent is to demonstrate to people that there is a real invisible world out there.  Now, the one concern is that people seeing it might be tempted to join these magicians, since the Dimonds are actually revealing the source of their magic ... demonic spirits.  But for those who have the faith, it really makes the existence of demons very real.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2022, 09:15:55 AM »
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  • And I agree that Dr. Marshall is getting closer.  After the whole Pachamama thing, that caused him to reflect that, "hey, JP2 did the same thing and more".  He's slowly started to re-examine all the V2 papal claimants.  Patrick Coffin has come out Bennyvacatist (I doubt he'll be welcome on EWTN going forward).  Bergoglio has done a lot to actually expose the entire Vatican II period.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #4 on: May 16, 2022, 09:20:49 AM »
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    But their opinion about him being THE Antichrist, that's not a matter of doctrine
    :jester:  Nor is it a matter of fact.  It would be like "speculating" on a prophecy that held in the latter days there would be a great saintly priest, with the stigmata, that converted Islam and then making a video how this applies to St Padre Pio.  :facepalm:  But Padre Pio didn't convert Islam, one would counter, and he's been dead for multiple decades.  "Oh", they would say, "it's still possible, through his intercession."  :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


    JP2 was not the antichrist.  An 8th grader can read the cliffs notes on the Apocalypse and come to this conclusion.  If one further reads the cliffs notes from the Church Fathers, they will see this theory is so crazy it's almost in the realm of heresy.  As smart as the Dimond brothers are, why they keep talking about this is very concerning (it makes me question their sanity)...unless it's about $/sales.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2022, 09:22:37 AM »
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  • . JPII was an antichrist, no doubt, THE Antichrist, perhaps, I find myself in agreement with them the more I've reflected on it. But, I can be wrong.
    JP2 may have been AN antichrist but I nominate his predecessor Paul 6th as THE antichrist, the worst by far of a very bad lot of New Church "popes"!

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #6 on: May 16, 2022, 09:23:32 AM »
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  • https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2020/04/infiltration-who-is-really-doing-it.html

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    • June 2006  Marshall writes in his post, My New Son - Jude Ambrose Josemaria, “Josemaria after St Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei. I have gained a deep devotion to this holy man and his writings. I attend daily Mass at the St Josemaria Chapel (at the Catholic Information Center) and my boss (and father and friend) is a priest of Opus Dei. Also, my son was born on June 26, the feast day of St Josemaria.” https://web.archive.org/web/20130506164425/http:/www.taylormarshall.com/2006/06/my-new-son-jude-ambrose-josemaria.html

    • October 2009  Marshall writes, “Did the founder of Opus Dei prophesy the Pope's Anglican Ordinariate? In a way, yes. According to Msgr. Bill Stetson, Saint Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, visited England back in 1958. He frequented many Anglican Churches and was keen on rekindling fervor in England for the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. While visiting an Anglican Church, Saint Josemaria Escriva said in Spanish, "If we don't lend them a hand, the Christian Faith will die away in fifty years." Well fifty years later (2008) the Anglican Communion became fractured through the ordination of active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and by the general erosion of Christian orthodoxy. Fifty-one years later (2009) the Holy Father "lends a hand" by establishing the Anglican personal ordinariate. Pretty amazing if you ask me. Saint Josemaria had it just about right.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHZzudaWwAAA5QC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096  Original link https://taylormarshall.com/2009/10/did-founder-of-opus-dei-prophecy-popes.html

    • April 2014  Marshall writes, “I'm about to go to the Dallas Opus Dei recollection. Anyone else going tonight?”  https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall/posts/415362745267756  And in the comments writes “I'm not a member. Just a groupie.” Was the recollection at the Wingren Study Center? https://wingrencenter.org/

    • June 2015  In 2015 Taylor Marshall became a faculty member for The Rome Experience for seminarians. The Rome Experience, “is inspired by the thought and work of St. Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei” https://web.archive.org/web/20170909200100/https://taylormarshall.com/events/rome-experience

    • October 2016  Marshall writes post, Taylor Marshall is Part Jєωιѕн as it turns out  https://web.archive.org/web/20170613222337/https://taylormarshall.com/2016/10/taylor-marshall-is-part-Jєωιѕн-as-it-turns-out.html In this post, “My uncle recently had a genealogical blood test that identified him as 19.3% αѕнкenαzι Jєωιѕн…which makes me 9.65% Jєωιѕн. [...] So this explains a few Jєωιѕн things in my life [...] So there you have it. My inner Jєω has been discreetly speaking all along.  As usual he removes this post.

    • June 2018  The practical wisdom of St. Josemaría Escrivá is posted on the Troops of Saint George website. https://troopsofsaintgeorge.org/the-practical-wisdom-of-st-josemaria-escriva/

    • October 2019  The great purge of Marshall’s social medias, particularly focused on twitter and his website. Twitter in September before the purge (20,100 tweets)  https://web.archive.org/web/20190927144738/https://twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall & twitter in November (771 tweets) https://web.archive.org/web/20191110060828/https:/twitter.com/TaylorRMarshall  His website removes all mentions of Josemaria Escriba and most of Opus Dei. This happens the week before the ‘Pachamama Splash’ carried out by Alexander Tschugguel (Opus Dei connected if not a member, marriage instruction and married by Bp. Athanasius Schneider). The Pachamama statues were interestingly taken from the Church of Santa Maria in Traspontina. This church is the seat of Carndinal Marc Ouellet (former Archbishop of Quebec) who is a strong supporter of Opus Dei. https://www.opusdei.org/fr-ca/article/homelie-de-m-le-cardinal-marc-ouellet-archeveque-de-quebec/ Two sites/people broke the story of ‘Pachamama Splash’ one being LifeSiteNews, Controversial Amazon Synod statues seized and thrown into the Tiber River (FULL VIDEO) https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-controversial-amazon-synod-statue-siezed-and-thrown-into-the-tiber-river-full-video and the other being Taylor Marshall, The Idols of Pachamama in Rome Are Destroyed and Cast Into the Tiber River https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUTdDJT6Y  Could go on about the Opus Dei connections but this should suffice.

    • No date  Not certain of when he started his Patreon but Taylor Marshall has 794 people a month whom give him money. Donation levels start at $7 and move up to $15, $25, $50, $100, $1,000 per month or one can give him a giant donation through a custom pledge. https://www.patreon.com/join/drtaylormarshall  This is how he can afford to make all those podcasts and youtube shows.

    You can believe what you like about him, but linked above is a handy list and it only goes deeper if you actually do some research into Taylor Marshall and Opus Dei.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 09:38:23 AM »
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  • JP2 was not the antichrist.  An 8th grader can read the cliffs notes on the Apocalypse and come to this conclusion.  If one further reads the cliffs notes from the Church Fathers, they will see this theory is so crazy it's almost in the realm of heresy. 
    Have you actually watched their material to see their argument? Dismissing it as an "8th grade can...come to this conclusion" isn't giving them a fair assessment when a lot of people these days, including trad Catholics, have Protestant understandings of the Apocalypse. I myself have fallen into this error time and time again.

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    As smart as the Dimond brothers are, why they keep talking about this is very concerning (it makes me question their sanity)...unless it's about $/sales.
    I completely disagree. It's public knowledge that they attained a couple million years ago from a donor who took them to court and they release their materials for free or at-cost. I don't at all buy that they do this for money
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2022, 09:39:37 AM »
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  • JP2 may have been AN antichrist but I nominate his predecessor Paul 6th as THE antichrist, the worst by far of a very bad lot of New Church "popes"!
    I'm not convinced, there's far more evidence to suggest that JPII was the image of the Beast (revived pagan rome) who was wounded and survived (1981 assassination attempt, and subsequent knife attack in 1982) than anything about the wicked Montini
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2022, 09:59:13 AM »
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  • I think they're all precursors, just like the false High Priests of the Maccabees before Christ Himself came into the world.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2022, 10:06:41 AM »
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  • I think they're all precursors, just like the false High Priests of the Maccabees before Christ Himself came into the world.
    I think that's agreeable. If he isn't the Man of Sin, as they opine, then he is the most wicked of precursors. The High Priests theory certainly supports the new pagan kings theory proposed simultaneously with their belief of JPII as the Image of the Beast and the Man of Sin.
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2022, 10:26:49 AM »
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  • Guys, if you say that JP2 (or anyone who is dead) is THE antichrist it shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.  It’s not even up for debate.

    Scripture / Church Fathers / Saints are very clear on what the antichrist will do - setup a world govt, openly persecute the Church, he will kill the 2 witnesses, “rise from the dead” (fake miracles), and then die when attempting to “ascend to heaven”.  Oh, and the Jєωs will worship him as Christ.  And many, many other things (ie mark of the beast).  This is LITERAL stuff, not figurative.  

    If you think anyone has done all of this already, then I am speechless and I question your sanity.  :confused:

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2022, 10:42:42 AM »
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  • Guys, if you say that JP2 (or anyone who is dead) is THE antichrist it shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.  It’s not even up for debate.

    Scripture / Church Fathers / Saints are very clear on what the antichrist will do - setup a world govt, openly persecute the Church, he will kill the 2 witnesses, “rise from the dead” (fake miracles), and then die when attempting to “ascend to heaven”.  Oh, and the Jєωs will worship him as Christ.  And many, many other things (ie mark of the beast).  This is LITERAL stuff, not figurative. 

    If you think anyone has done all of this already, then I am speechless and I question your sanity.  :confused:
    So you haven't watched any of their materials on why they believe this then

    Be objective. Go watch what they have to say, and then come back and comment on our sanity. I'm not saying you must agree with them, but it's clear you don't know what they even believe on the matter.



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    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2022, 10:43:39 AM »
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  • Guys, if you say that JP2 (or anyone who is dead) is THE antichrist it shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.  It’s not even up for debate.

    Scripture / Church Fathers / Saints are very clear on what the antichrist will do - setup a world govt, openly persecute the Church, he will kill the 2 witnesses, “rise from the dead” (fake miracles), and then die when attempting to “ascend to heaven”.  Oh, and the Jєωs will worship him as Christ.  And many, many other things (ie mark of the beast).  This is LITERAL stuff, not figurative. 

    If you think anyone has done all of this already, then I am speechless and I question your sanity.  :confused:
    Thank you!  I've been saying this as well.  I don't know how anyone can fall for JPII being THE Anti-Christ.  I know people who have tried to tell Dimonds that it's not possible based on Scripture, Church Fathers and Saints, and other things but they will not relent. And yes personally I've watched all the Dimond stuff about it and just rolled my eyes.  If you've read enough Church Fathers you will completely dismiss Dimonds on the issue.  Protestants and others can also make convincing arguments that The Church is the Whore of Babylon but we know based on Scripture, Chruch Fathers, and Tradition, that this is just not true.  

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2022, 11:01:08 AM »
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  • Where was JPs mark of the beast?  I guessed I missed that part of the 80s/90s where I had to have it to buy/sell?  Where were the 2 witnesses who preached to the world and worked miracles?  When did JP2 conquer armies and become ruler of the world?  Etc etc etc

    He didn’t.  So he wasn’t the antichrist.  I don’t have to watch some video to know this.  It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.