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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2022, 12:07:05 PM »
I didn't know they identify 'new church'  as  'the whore'. (I haven't watched many of their videos)  but the way "new church"  is going,  it seems to be turning into the "Whore of Babylon"  right before our eyes!
If I remember, they lay out that theory in this video


Otherwise, you can read the following article if you don't want to spend 40 minutes on a video
https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/apocalypse/

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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2022, 12:14:07 PM »
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You do if you want to understand the argument they propose, since a video is how it's presented. Just dismissing it outright without inquiring as to why they say this, and how they support it, isn't being objective and I have no reason to continue responding to you on this subject until you do.
I've watched one of their videos before.  I'm dismissing it because you can pick up any book which quotes the Church Fathers/Scripture on the Apocalypse and they are WAY off.  The Diamonds are arguing JP2 based on symbolism and figurative language.  But the Church Fathers tells us, infallibly, which parts of the Apocalypse will happen LITERALLY and which are figurative.  The Diamonds are way off.



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For all we know, Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer could have been the prophesied two witnesses, who died spiritually by initially accepting JPII's proposal for the consecrations, but then rose again by defying them. God only knows.
Yes, they could have been prefigurements of the 2 witnesses but they are not the ACTUAL 2 witnesses.  Go read scripture.  It tells us that the 2 witnesses will preach all over the world, work miracles, be martyred in the streets of jerusalem/rome (I can't remember) and lie there 3 days for all the world to see.  Then God will resurrect them, people will convert and on the story goes.

This is what will ACTUALLY happen.  This is not symbolism.  Has this happened yet?  No.  Therefore...JP2 isn't the antichrist nor are +ABL/+Meyer the witnesses.  The Diamonds are making the complex topic of Apocalypse MORE complex by ignoring the few literal facts that the Church has given us.



Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2022, 12:30:15 PM »
I've watched one of their videos before.  I'm dismissing it because you can pick up any book which quotes the Church Fathers/Scripture on the Apocalypse and they are WAY off.  The Diamonds are arguing JP2 based on symbolism and figurative language.  But the Church Fathers tells us, infallibly, which parts of the Apocalypse will happen LITERALLY and which are figurative.  The Diamonds are way off.


Yes, they could have been prefigurements of the 2 witnesses but they are not the ACTUAL 2 witnesses.  Go read scripture.  It tells us that the 2 witnesses will preach all over the world, work miracles, be martyred in the streets of jerusalem/rome (I can't remember) and lie there 3 days for all the world to see.  Then God will resurrect them, people will convert and on the story goes.

This is what will ACTUALLY happen.  This is not symbolism.  Has this happened yet?  No.  Therefore...JP2 isn't the antichrist nor are +ABL/+Meyer the witnesses.  The Diamonds are making the complex topic of Apocalypse MORE complex by ignoring the few literal facts that the Church has given us.
No. They don't. They utilize both the literal and figurative sense (for example, JPII being wounded mortally and then healed is a literal interpretation of Apoc. 13:3) You would know that if you would actually hear their arguments before immediately dismissing them as "way off" because you're incredulous about JPII being the Antichrist.

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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2022, 12:34:30 PM »
When did +ABL/+Meyer get martyred in the streets, lie there for 3 days and then get resurrected?  This will literally happen.

When in the 80s/90s was there a mark of the beast which everyone had to have to buy/sell?  This will literally happen.

Those are simply 2 questions that don't apply to JP2.  I could list off about 20 more.

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for example, JPII being wounded mortally and then healed is a literal interpretation of Apoc. 13:3
Just because JP2 *might* fulfill 1 of 25 details that are infallible doesn't mean we can speculate.  If JP2 doesn't fulfill 25 of 25 (to use an example) and not even the obvious ones (i.e. he will lead armies and rule the world) then he isn't him.  

Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2022, 12:51:16 PM »
If I remember, they lay out that theory in this video


Otherwise, you can read the following article if you don't want to spend 40 minutes on a video
https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/apocalypse/

Thank you, I will read the article. (I prefer reading to watching videos)