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Yeti, you're condemning +Vigano to hell is just crazy.  You're perpetuating the label of SV's being bitter, angry nutjobs.

Ok, so +Vigano said (according to you...i've not heard this) that he wouldn't depose +Francis.  Ok, well, WHY did he say this?  I'm sure that there's more to the story and +Vigano might actually have a legal reason for his statement.  Until you find this out, and/or intereview +Vigano and get more information, it's rash, uncharitable and stupid to condemn someone to hell.

It's a complex topic, because it involves canon law and also doctrine.  It's also an unprecedented crisis in the Church, yet you're channeling the Diamonds and condemning people to hell because "you have it all figured out".  This is crazy talk.  You give SVs a bad name.

Voris and Marshall are easily connected with Opus Dei.  Where’s the proof of +Vigano’s connection? 

Pax,

We Americans don't easily see... that Opus Dei is a judaic secret society that essentially runs the consiliar Church.

Somewhere, archived on this forum, I posted older photos and dates of Vigano's meetings at Opus Dei headquarters.

Also, Here's an excerpt from Randel Engels' article on the Vigano connection to Opus Dei, demonstrating the extent of their hidden media power.

We can see that the funding of Catholic talking heads, like Voris and Marshall is child's play to them. 
In the Vigano scandal of 2018, Randy shows how subtle and sophisticated are their media manipulations.

I don't place Randy as the sole credible source for outing Vigano, but as I previously complained, if Vigano was real.... he'd be outing Opus judei.

Opus Dei Domination of the Catholic Media

It is also crucial that readers understand the pervasiveness of Opus Dei’s voice and point-of-view  in the Catholic media—and that these influences are rarely, if ever, identified as coming from Opus Dei. During the last three decades, using its numeraries or wealthy supernumeraries or philanthropic cooperators, the Prelature has established and/or taken over many Catholic media outlets including EWTN, the National Catholic Register, and LifeSiteNews. It was these three media sources that originally brought the Viganò story to the attention of Catholics the world over.

Other Opus Dei media outlets that promoted Viganò’s allegations of corruption at the Vatican and the call for Pope Francis’ resignation include Our Sunday Visitor, Catholic Canada, Catholic News Agency (CNA), and ACI Presna (Spanish) to name a few.

With this in mind, the significance of this installment concerning the public figures and the media-outlets involved in the Vigano affair will be clearer.  I will begin with the pivotal roles played by two Italian Vaticanists, Aldo Maria Valli and Marco Tosatti in the proposed writing, editing, translation and publication of the Vigano testimony.

Full Article by Randy Engel
Viganos connection to Opus Dei

We Americans don't easily see... that Opus Dei is a judaic secret society that essentially runs the consiliar Church.

I don't deny this.

Somewhere, archived on this forum, I posted older photos and dates of Vigano's meetings at Opus Dei headquarters.

I've never heard this, so thanks for the info.

if Vigano was real.... he'd be outing Opus judei.

Maybe, maybe not.  Here's where I see the issues with this line of thinking.  (If person A doesn't do "x", then he's (not) "y".)  I'm not saying you totally believe this but it comes across this way and it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Here's a list of things (just in the last month) that i've heard people complain that +Vigano isn't doing:
1.  Helping ordain priests  (there's no evidence he isn't helping, but people complain anyway).
2.  Supporting SV and defending it.  (he's questioned Francis' legitimacy, but I guess this isn't good enough).
3.  Working to depose +Francis  (we don't know he isn't)
4.  Investigating and outing Opus Dei  (I don't see this as the top priority; pretty low level problems, in my opinion)
5.  Outing the Jooish conspiracy  (Using the word "jew" isn't going to make a big difference, if you're still exposing the main problems, which he is)
6.  Supporting Tradition  (nevermind that he's supported +Williamson and also indirectly corrected the new-sspx (which is why they don't like him).)

Nevermind that what he HAS done is the following:
1.  Condemned V2 as heretical and unorthodox
2.  Condemned all V2 popes
3.  Indirectly condemned the new mass, calling for everyone to return to Traditional rites
4.  Called out +Francis' heresies and errors, supporting the "Dubia letter"
5.  Called out the "Great Reset", satanism in politics, the covid lie, the war against the natural law, the family and Faith.
6.  Called out new-rome's leaders as being part of the "Deep State" and also that many "conservative" Cardinals/bishops are lukewarm.
7.  Supported +Williamson, +ABL and all Traditionally-minded catholics.
8.  Exposed the corruption, pedophilia and infiltration in the Church.

Bottomline:  He's just one man.  And he's old.  He can only do so much.  He writes letters every few months and gives interviews so that people have some sense of leadership in the Church.  But what is he doing with the rest of his time?  We don't know.  So how can we complain/criticize him for things we don't know?  Unless some of you have access to his daily itinerary and all his comings/goings, your complaints are just immature and impatient.